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Ryan Torain not Tendered, but New York Giants Would Like Him Back

March 12th, 2013 at 11:00 AM
By Dan Benton

When the New York Giants handed out tenders to their restricted free agents (RFA) on Monday, running back Ryan Torain wasn't invited to the party. Co-Owner John Mara said the team would not tender the veteran, making him an unrestricted free agent (UFA), but that they "would like him back."

'Washington Redskins' Ryan Torain struts down the runway.' photo (c) 2011, DrivingtheNortheast - license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/

After signing with the team in late November, Torain would compete with fellow running back Kregg Lumpkin for playing time … and often came up on the losing end of that battle. In two games with the team (inactive for three), Torain wouldn't see a single carry and primarily played on special teams. However, the team has already informed Lumpkin he would not be re-signed, paving the way for Torain to return.

It seems a bit suspect that the Giants would prefer Torain over Lumpkin when Lumpkin clearly won the battle for playing time a season ago, but perhaps they see more upside with the 26-year-old. After all, it was only two season ago that Torain stepped in for an aging and injured Clinton Portis to lead the Washington Redskins with 742 yards on 164 carries (4.5 ypc).

There may be other opportunities out there for Torain, but odds are he will return to the Giants and compete with Da'Rel Scott for playing time as the No. 3 back.

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22 Responses to “Ryan Torain not Tendered, but New York Giants Would Like Him Back”

  1.  GOAT56 says:

    Repost:

    At 4:00 p.m. ET on Tuesday, Giants receiver Victor Cruz secures the ability to negotiate with any other team in the league.

    But since he’s a restricted free agent, subject to the machinations of a seven-day period for matching any offers received, it’s not likely that anyone will make an early run at Cruz.

    The teams with cap money to spend will be trying to spend it on unrestricted free agents, for now. Typically, the RFA market begins to heat up only after the UFA carousel has begun to slow down.

    In recent years, the RFA market has been dormant, with teams neither willing to negotiate a deal that would be matched by the player’s current team nor anxious to surrender compensation. Or, possibly, there’s collusion when it comes to players with three years of experience and no contract for year four.

    That could change with Cruz. A team in the bottom portion of round one could be willing to swap its pick for one of the best young receivers in the game — especially if that team has the cap space to craft a front loaded offer the Giants can’t or won’t match.

    Some of you have suggested that a team with a higher pick in round one could trade down and then use the lower pick for a crack at Cruz. It’s a good idea, but the rules prevent it. The pick that becomes compensation for a restricted free agent or a franchise player is the pick originally held by the team making the offer. If the team doesn’t have its original pick, an offer sheet can’t be signed.

    Either way, it’s highly unlikely that anyone will make a run at Cruz soon. In a week or two, however, things could get interesting.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/12/quick-run-at-cruz-isnt-likely/

    •  jfunk says:

      “A team in the bottom portion of round one could be willing to swap its pick for one of the best young receivers in the game — especially if that team has the cap space to craft a front loaded offer the Giants can’t or won’t match.”

      They mention this strategy too. Are we sure that this move is illegal? I’m thinking maybe the reason it doesn’t happen often if because teams have been “pushing it forward” for some many years that they’re rarely in position to do it, not that it’s somehow illegal to pay more in one year than in the next.

  2.  GOAT56 says:

    I would think with Wilson’s pass blocking questions that Lumpkin or a similar player would be more attractive than Torain. But Torain is more of a real option at RB should injuries occur to the 2 top RBs.

  3.  GOAT56 says:

    I think Seattle paid too much for Harvin draft pick wise and appears contract wise. I can see what they are thinking because they get a great return man and a dangerous WR/RB. Harvin could be even better running the read option stuff that they did last year while giving them another option on the outside.

    But the issue I have is I don’t recall any player who in the prime of their career continues to be all of those things that Harvin needs to do to justify his contract. You are going to use your #1 WR as a fulltime KR? You are going to use your #1 WR as a part time RB? If not and you are just using Harvin as purely a WR then you really overpaid for him. But if you allow him to do all of those things you put your #1 WR at injury risk in areas no team uses their #1 WR. And Harvin has already had injury issues.

    Most of us assume here that we wouldn’t risk our probable #1 RB Wilson on KR on a fulltime basis and Seattle is willing to risk it’s 10 mil plus #1 WR? It seems to be a situation where Seattle got a very talented player but overpaid for what he will do on the field for them.

    •  jfunk says:

      I have to think they will continue to use Harvin in all those roles (although perhaps he won’t return every kick). That’s what makes him so valuable is his versatility. I can’t imagine they would have invested so heavily in him to use him purely as a receiver.

      They run a lot of that fancy razzle dazzle stuff too, I have to assume that’s what they wanted him for.

      •  GOAT56 says:

        I agree but it’s a lot like with RG3. Do you want to put him at risk trying to do all those things? I’m guessing they will but I think given Harvin’s injury past he will get banged up trying to do all of those duties.

    •  fanfor55years says:

      I agree but also am convinced that they realize that they are in position to win it all and that Russell Wilson’s half-life may not be long if they run too many read-option plays so want to go for it right now. They also have a very rich owner who prides himself on “thinking different” and a coach who is definitely not cut from the same cloth as everyone else so may have no worries about using Harvin as a kick returner. Carroll may figure (perhaps correctly) that two TD returns on kicks over the course of the season could be the difference between beating out the Niner for the division championship and not doing so. And he knows if everyone has to come to Seattle to play in the playoffs he has a huge advantage. They overpaid…..unless they get a ring, in which case he was worth every dollar.

      •  GOAT56 says:

        I think it’s dangerous to act liek you’re one player away even when you get a great player. I thought the same with Atlanta getting Jones and I think more highly of Jones.

        Remember Seattle has Leon Washington as a KR who they are now looking to get rid off. KR wasn’t an issue for them at all becasue Washington has been one of the best in the NFL. If I was them I would keep Washington in that role an save Harvin for special situations.

        •  fanfor55years says:

          I don’t disagree with you, but am channeling what the Seahawks must be thinking. Harvin is definitely a “special” player. A difference-maker. I wouldn’t pay $12MM per year and give up those draft picks for him, but if they get a ring as a result it will have been money well spent. They’re taking a HUGE risk, but it just might pay off. If those guys can get home field advantage theough the playoffs they have a great chance to get to the Super Bowl.

          The battle between the Seahawks and the Niners should be a beautiful thing to behold this season. And the Rams are not exactly garbage either. That NFC West is going to be quite a show.

          •  GOAT56 says:

            Yeah that’s probably right. Every time a team does this type of move I think of the Hershel Walker trade.

    •  fanfor55years says:

      Looks like some of the GMs are not exactly in the same class as Jerry Reese. Good for the Giants.

    •  jfunk says:

      Ryan Fitzpatrick,

      FYI – Your GM thinks you suck and your contract is a boat anchor on the franchise. Sleep tight.

  4.  The Original G Man says:

    Chargers cut Randy McMichael. He’d be a good, stop gap, 1 year depth pick-up if we lose Marty B.

  5.  GOAT56 says:

    I wonder with our current cap number really is? Most beat reproters have stated something around 1.5 mil but I see our cap number as closer to 4 mil here http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap-hit/

    I think it matters because with only 1.5 in cap room the only player we could probably re-sign is Boothe even with monstly bonus money in 2013. With 3.5-4 mil of cap room we could still re-sign someone like KP or Bennett. Or even an outside free agent.

  6.  fanfor55years says:

    I’m not surprised at their hoping Torrain will sign as the fourth back on the roster, and I’d expect him to beat out Scott if he does. I was befuddled that he didn’t get the nod over Lumpkin last year but guess that was because the latter picked up his assignments faster. There’s no doubt in my mind that Torrain is the better back and has some real upside. He looked pretty solid with the Skins a few years ago.

    Sign Torrain at veteran minimum, and then pick up a “big” back from among the UDFAs to come to camp and hopefully stick on the practice squad ready to join the roster if anything happens to Andre Brown.

    •  kujo says:

      Of course you’re not surprised.

      •  fanfor55years says:

        Torrain is a pretty good back.

        I’m also not surprised that you had that response. Very predictable.

        Here’s what WOULD surprise me:

        1) Bennett comes back with some stupidly high contract that pays him more than $3.75MM per annum;

        2) Boothe comes back at anything above $2.75MM;

        3) Neither Rolle nor Eli is asked for a restructure by the time the smoke clears;

        4) Kenny Phillips gets paid less than $4.25MM per annum by someone, albeit the guarantees aren’t great because of injury risk;

        5) You ever start admitting that I’ve been way out in front on most issues related to the Giants, stop slobbering over Victor Cruz (he’s terrific, but he ain’t the Second Coming), and finally shut up about the interior line EVEN after the team adds a really good player there in the April draft.

  7.  GOAT56 says:

    I wonder if we lost Cruz as a RFA if a stop gap option might be Steve Smith. I just noticed he is an UFA. Smith knows our system and still is fairly young. He now should be healthy in a similar manner to Andre Brown. If Smith was willing to return it could be a good marriage for both sides. Maybe Smith even works as a depth option should we lose Hixon and Barden as expected.

    •  jfunk says:

      Is there any indication that Steve Smith can actually play anymore?

      I have a hard time believing he would be worth bringing in instead of just rolling with Jernigan.

  8.  fanfor55years says:

    All of you have have long given up on Jernigan are smoking dope. The Giants liked him, a LOT. The only reason he hasn’t been playing in the slot for the past two years is that Victor Cruz is an extraordinary talent who could not be denied. Why anyone assumes Jernigan has no talent despite his having hardly been seen is beyond me.

    I’ve seen comments that he can’t run routes, that he cannot catch the ball consistently, that he can’t get open, that he’s only useful as a returner but probably not even as that. Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Kid was drafted in the third round by Reese/Ross after the scouting staff had argued he might be worth a second pick. He was thought comparable, based upon college film, to Steve Smith and DeSean Jackson. He has made some impressive catches in preseason games, ran some tight routes in the few chances he got last season, had only a few passes targeted at him but all were in traffic and I think he caught those that were reasonably catchable. He came very close to breaking a few kickoff returns and looked to me like he was a great alternative in that regard to David Wilson if the team wants to protect him.

    The kid was beaten out by Cruz. No shame in that. No reason at all to write him off.

  9.  Syed Sohail Shah says:

    Some Jernigan highlights, looked explosive in college just has no chance behind Cruz

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_azBQ0VooMA

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