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Pair of Former Piladelphia Eagles Could Make Sense for New York Giants

March 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 AM
By Kyle Langan

On Friday, the New York Giants hosted former Philadelphia Eagles and Green Bay Packers defensive linemen Cullen Jenkins, but he left the visit without a contract.

The Giants have a need for depth along their defensive line, particularly with the possible departure of Osi Umenyiora and the release of Chris Canty.

General Manager Jerry Reese likes to address perceived "needs" in free agency so he can head into April's draft with relatively low pressure to make a selection based on need. 2010 provides a good example when the Giants signed safeties Antrel Rolle and Deon Grant via free agency after the terrible safety play in 2009 season. Many then expected the Giants to invest in the secondary high in the draft, but they instead selected Jason Pierre-Paul.

The Giants know what they are looking for in free agency: veteran bodies at a discount rate with something left to prove that can be a good locker room presence (see: Grant).

Jenkins (along with several others in Philadelphia) did not jell with the defensive scheme. This projects to be less on an issue in New York, as Jenkins has worked with defensive line coach Robert Nunn during his time with the Green Bay Packers.

Another name to watch out for in connection with the Giants is Juqua Parker, a former Eagle but most recently of the Cleveland Browns.

Parker is likely not to re-sign with the Browns after a switch to a 3-4 scheme and at age 34 will not likely command more than the veteran minimum. He registered as many sacks in 2012 as Umenyiora did and will be accepting of a part time role as a pass rushing defensive end.

If Osi Umenyiora can not work out a reasonable deal to return to the Giants, Parker could make sense.

The initial thought entering this free agency period was that the Giants would look into Richard Seymour, but with someone like Jenkins on the market who has some familiarity with defensive line coach Robert Nunn as well as the NFC east, that kind of move could prove to make more sense.

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17 Responses to “Pair of Former Piladelphia Eagles Could Make Sense for New York Giants”

  1.  rlhjr says:

    From GOAT56 Post
    “2. Jason Pierre-Paul, Defensive End

    Some might thing Pierre-Paul had a down year because his sack total was cut in half, but really JPP was still a great player. His dominance comes more in the run game where his Run Stop Percentage of 9.0 was second among 4-3 defensive ends. He had 55 total pressures, which was 15th-most, and still leaves him as a very good edge rusher — which is a position which typically makes a lot of money.”

    Which is why the Giants need a pass rushing DT that forces offenses to block someone other that Paul………..H-E-L-L-O-O-o-o-o-o-o
    And like I said, the kid plays the run in space like a all pro linebacker.

    •  kujo says:

      Yup. He is an absolute freak of nature, and could very well be very Strahan-like as he continues to progress, which is exactly what needs to happen: he needs to PROGRESS! He needs to work with Strahan and the coaches and more seasoned DEs to slim down and get his tendencies in line.

    •  Krow says:

      Definitely. Remember how we all thought the return of Chris Canty would spark the defense? Well that reasoning was sound. Too bad Canty wasn’t. So yes YES … get solid DT play and everything improves.

      •  rlhjr says:

        I think Stra would love to do it. What rubs me the wrong way is why could not Justin Tuck do for JPP what Stra did for him?

        Through example Stray lead Tuck and Osi in becoming pros. And forced the to get stronger mentally and physically. He lead on and off the field.

        So I must conclude that Tuck is either selfish, or perhaps hurt badly enough that he just can not lead by example. I think it’s the latter.

        •  Krow says:

          Tuck just isn’t that kind of guy. He’s not the ‘fired up’ leader type. And yes, injuries are nagging him too. But I wouldn’t say he’s selfish either.

  2.  demo3356 says:

    Love to see Cullen Jenkins in Blue.. Always thought Parker was a stiff though. Pretty sure they could do better even at league minimum deal.

  3.  demo3356 says:

    I bet a lot of JPP’s success in 11 and lack of in 12 can be attributed to Chris Canty.. Last year with a healthy Canty at DT, JPP terrorized the league. This year with no Canty of 7 games and a not right Canty for the rest teams were able to focus on JPP and keep him from killing them by himsef

  4.  demo3356 says:

    Joe Flacco the highest paid player in NFL history??? Really? Wow..

  5.  rlhjr says:

    Other than the remarks about Role, that break down tells me the Giants do a lot of missing on front seven personnel in general and linebackers in particular.
    The offensive report tells me a blue chip center and guard would make Eli untouchable and Nicks/Cruz/Randle lethal.

    But I am excited to see who is selected 1-3 this time around. Because the need can not be disguised. If the defensive and offensive line prospects are not there for Reese, we could actually see a linebacker. But not at 19.
    Because another corner to pair with Prince could be hard to resist if the right guy is there.

    If a backer’s attributes and production jumps off Reese’s board and he is available in round two and the DB/DL/OL guy is not I think Reese will take him.

    I still see some mocks saying Floyd (DT) will be available at 19 or even Richardson so it may boil down to who the cow turds don’t take. Still I would be shocked if either were around at 19. But if so, I don’t see Reese ignoring either Floyd or Richardson if they were available.

  6.  Krow says:

    I know it’s sort of lost some of its shine … but Ziggy Ansah at 19 could still happen. Osi’s all but gone, Tuck remains an enigma … the draft is deep at DT and so is free agency. Our tried and true formula is pressure from the front 4. And we lurve hyper-athletic DEs.

  7.  rlhjr says:

    I really like that kid. And if Austin were not the invisible man I would really be stomping my heal for Reese to take him. I think Floyd and Richardson are rare guys talent wise who can pley in any defensive alignment and can do many things within those defenses. Richardson (IMO) could easely be a DE in a 3-4 or 4-3 alignment. Which means in Fewells defense he could turn up anywhere.
    Floyd could be either three or five technique lineman and make a ton of plays.
    Even from the five technique.

    But all Ansah would have to do is watch film. He looks to be an athlete who can mimic what he sees. When I watched him vs ND he just jumped out of the TV. Kid weighing 45/50 pounds more could not move him.
    And he looked for all the world like a tall drink of water. He’s amazing IMHO.

  8.  fanfor55years says:

    Defensive tackle is an absolutely critical position and the Giants need to both bring in another veteran (because Rogers is a good solution but will only be able to play a certain number of snaps and stay effective) and draft a promising rookie.

    I don’t care what PFF says: Joseph had a pretty mediocre season and suffered badly from the absence of a healthy Canty since interior blocking schemes could be oriented toward sealing him (in 2011 the concern was Canty so Joseph had lots of singled-up opportunities and looked very good in those situations). Kuhn looked promising but may not be ready to contribute until the second half of the season. And Austin is a cipher, although my gut tells me he will contribute in 2013. Of the latter, no one can be sure, but I’ll bet Reese is very confident that his scouts and he did not make a mistake and plan on Marvin Austin being a part of this team for years to come. A good way of looking at that is that the kid has apprenticed in our system, has almost no wear-and-tear over the past three seasons, and could therefore be a well-prepared youngster who is able to make a big impact as the equivalent of a twice-red-shirted-junior.

    In any case, if the Giants can solve their problems at tackle then I think we will find that the perceived problems at linebacker are not nearly as deep as many assume. The defensive ends for the Giants are a good group, even absent Osi. Get a good set of tackles and JPP returns to dominance. I think Kiwi is ready for a big year when given the majority of snaps (I just saw him in Florida and he looks HUGE…he has put a bit of extra muscle on which makes me think he’s ready to play defensive end this season). You all can continue the skepticism about Ojomo but I think he has the goods. Tuck should have a much better year even if he is no longer the potential dominator he seemed a few years ago before those injuries. And I think that Tracy can give them some really effective pass-rushing production.

    So a solid front (if we get the tackles required) allows for the best use of the talents we already have in the second level of the defense. Williams is the prototype for the “new” NFL linebacker: a guy who can cover, can get to the quarterback if asked, and who can follow a run across the entire field and make a tackle from the off-side that prevents a long cutback gain. While he isn’t quite as great an athlete as Williams, I continue to be confident that Paysinger is a “player”, a guy who simply makes the plays out there even when not impressing you with and single aspect of his game. He is vastly underrated at Giants 101 and more would realize that if they’d seen him at Oregon. The kid has been “making plays” since he was a pup. Some players just do that. Three times last season the Giants’ coaches took the opportunity to project Mark Herzlich as their starting MIKE and made it clear they were confident he could do a good job once he learned enough from Chase Blackburn. They’ll probably both be back in 2013. Herzlich could be a very pleasant surprise. Toward the end of last season he looked like he was starting to go to the correct gap, and to make quicker drops because he had made quicker reads. Watch the Eagles game in Week 17. He was good. Not just okay. Good. Maybe this is the season he breaks out. Remember, the Giants don’t NEED a three-down MIKE since they will be playing a lot of nickel and dime packages. Herzlich could be the answer (but I’ll also be watching Muasau, who certainly has the look of a great two-down middle linebacker).

    I think Reese will bring in a veteran to compete for the SAM position (although Herzlich and Kiwi could also see time there as well, depending upon what happens with Tracy, Ojomo, Paysinger, Blackburn, Mausau and others). They will draft a linebacker somewhere along the way.

    In short, solve the huge problem at defensive tackle and a lot of things start falling into place. It was here that the defense broke down last season. The failure in the middle of the defense was to blame for almost everything else that happened on that side of the ball. Linebackers having to guess run-first. Safeties peeking into the backfield at the snap so being a step late along the sidelines on deep balls that beat Webster. That peeking by the safeties forcing Fewell to tell Prince to play off his man so he wouldn’t be beaten deep, thereby allowing too many easy third-down conversions. Inability to make the run stops that forced third-and-longs, thereby neutering the rush and allowing offenses to sustain drives that tired out an undermanned defense that had too many injuries that sapped depth at certain positions. It all flowed from poor play in the middle of the defensive front. Improve the last and a lot of other things start looking MUCH better.

    •  rlhjr says:

      Looks like it boils down to Austin and Reese’s faith in him. Same thing with MIKE and SAM positions. Who does Reese trust? For sure it can’t all be done in this years draft. Next years draft is very important in that it can finish the blueprint laid by this years selections. I feel the front office is in no hurry to find its self in the similar cap position again for many years. And the team must be wise in selecting FA’s.

    •  GmenMania says:

      Great post, which I wholly agree with.

      However, I caution not to expect much from Muasau; it often results in disappointment when one expects solid play from someone who didn’t even make the roster last season.

  9.  GmenMania says:

    UUT

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