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New York Giants Insider Report: Robert Griffin III and the Washington Redskins, Part Deux

December 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 AM
By Simon Garron-Caine

'Pierre Garcon' photo (c) 2012, Keith Allison - license: Last time the New York Giants played the Washington Redskins, Big Blue barely escaped with a last-minute victory after getting their eyes opened by Robert Griffin III and an upstart Redskins team…but that was a month and a half ago, so we're turning back to Justin Fiore and the guys at to see how this Redskins team is doing of late.

First, a little primer on the Redskins last few weeks: their loss to us started a three-game slide that also included 27-12 loss to a Ben Roethlisberger-qaurterbacked Pittsburgh Steelers and a 21-13 loss to the Carolina Panthers, but turned it around the last two weeks with resounding victories over the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles.

So as the Redskins make their case for being our best competition in the division, let's see what Justin's seen the last few weeks, what with his obsessing over the 'Skins like we do the Giants.

Most Giants fans seems to think stopping Alfred Morris (and running back RGIII), thus making quarterback RGIII one-dimensional, should be our game plan. Are they on the right track?

That's the way most teams have defended them. They put an emphasis on creating third-and-long, forcing Griffin to use his arm. It starts with slowing down Morris. But our offense rarely–if ever–becomes ones dimensional passing wise. Morris and Griffin are pretty consistent on the ground. When RG3's arm or the wide receivers are off however, the offense can come to a grinding halt.

So who's the wild card on this offense? Is it Pierre Garcon, when healthy?

Pierre Garcon is the X-factor of the Redskins offense. They are 4-1 when he plays, 1-5 when he doesn't. He's also been in for three of the Redskins' four 30-point outings (13 rec, 200 yds, 2 TDs). And that's with a foot injury keeping him under 100%, which you probably wouldn't have known watching last week's 59-yard touchdown.

{editors note: both Justin and I are starting Garcon in fantasy this week. Justin's note: I did draft Garcon this year and I am starting him this week–for a projected 18 points (PPR). He's got the benefit of an nine day break as well. A strong play I think.}

The Redskins have scored 38, 31, 38, 24, and 40 in their victories, and 13, 12 23, 17, 31, and 28 in their losses, with the defensive outputs generally being more consistent. What seems to be the cause of the offensive struggles in these losses?

Early on it was just the normal hiccups that plague new offenses. The most recent three-game slide started with the Giants–a game the Skins put up 480 yards but suffered four turnovers. The following week our wide receivers dropped a league high ten passes in Pittsburgh, which stifled all offensive production. The baby of those two performances was Robert Griffins first 'rookie' game, against the Carolina Panthers. But really, there has been no consistent flaw (other than penalties maybe) that has plagued this offense.

The Redskins run defense has been pretty good this year but the pass defense has been awful. Their big pass rushers are injured and the secondary's been a mess. That still the case?

We're still not sold on the secondary. They keep games close far too often with undisciplined play. High yardage totals are okay if they're forcing turnovers but they haven't always. The Redskins defensive did more of that in the beginning of the year and they're starting to get it going again, after the jolt Brandon Merriweather provided following the bye week.

The Cruz issue remains unresolved, as it happened again last week: Williams and Gomez were in good position and still gave up an 85-yard touchdown to Dez Bryant. It's a problem we'll battle for the remainder of the season. The run defense is on point like you said but they're not being tested much. Teams are choosing to take their shots at the secondary instead…and who could blame them.

The Redskins win if…

We're going to stick with same prediction we made last time: if the Redskins force three turnovers, it's a done deal.

Many thanks to Justin for the insight. We'll leave all the Redskins fans in the world with the same words Justin left us when he sent us info for this post: "Hope you had a good weekend. Worse Monday."


Tags: Ben Roethlisberger, Carolina Panthers, Dallas Cowboys, Dez Bryant, Football, New York, New York Giants, NFL, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers, Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins

69 Responses to “New York Giants Insider Report: Robert Griffin III and the Washington Redskins, Part Deux”

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  1.  GOAT56 says:

    I say the most important factor in us winning is Eli playing a clean game. I think our defense will at least slow them down now being familar with their offense, maybe a lot more. While our offense is given to move the ball versus them and put up at least in the 20s offensively. The key not giving them additional opportunities with TOs. That’s what our struggles against Washington have been about. We really have had some bad TOs in the past 3 games versus Washington.

    •  kinsho says:

      Whether our defense can slow them down really depends so much on whether KP and JPP are playing. We especially need JPP in there to wear down the likes of Trent Williams.

      I agree that ultimately, a win or a loss depends on whether the offense can light it up like they did against the Packers last week. And that largely depends on whether we can establish a half-decent run game here.

  2.  Levito says:

    Getting off the field on 3rd downs early would be a great help. If the defense is gassed from chasing RG III around for the first three quarters, the fourth one could get ugly.

    •  GOAT56 says:

      I agree. I think 3rd down defense is done the first 2 downs though. When the redskins had 3rd downs in the first game it always appeared to be 3rd a short. That’s hard to defend because that’s gives them a run or pass option.

      •  Levito says:

        Can’t disagree there. And even when they did have 3rd and long RG III seemed to beat the defense with his legs, mainly. Nightmares of him looking like he’s jogging towards the sideline only to make a quick cut and make up an easy 10 yards before slipping out of bounds. The DEs will have to be really disciplined tonight.

  3.  Emperor Norton says:

    Pretty honest and accurate assessment from the Redskins101 guy. Bottom line, if Eli throws 2 ducks that get picked off, and Wilson loses a fumble, we’ll need a heroic day from the defense to pull out a win. I won’t say they’re not up to it, but Washington ran all over us last time around, and I don’t buy into the hype that Fewell can call a plan to stop Morris + RGIII based just on film from one game.

    This one’s going to be mostly on Eli. If he can figure out the defensive look the ‘Skins give us, he’ll throw for 350 yards and this one won’t be close. If he struggles, we’ll need a lot of other things to go right for us.

  4.  fanfor55years says:

    Forgive me if I see wins against the Cowboys and the Eagles as hardly cause to fear this team. You think we’re an inconsistent enigma? Talk to the Cowboys fans. And beating this Eagles team lately has been not exactly difficult.

    Yeah, perhaps RGIII will have an unearthly game and beat us, as can ANY quarterback in the NFL who has “one of those games” (see Carrot Top making HOF throws one-after-another against us in Cincy). But I think unless Griffen plays his best game of the season the Skins cannot stand toe-to-toe with us and win, and perhaps not even then. They’d need some turnovers or a number of really good breaks.

    And contrary to what most of the world is saying, the Giants do not “need” this win. A win goes a long way toward allowing them to relax (actually, really it’s US who could relax because TC is too smart to allow the team to ease off the accelerator in December when you need to be playing your best ball of the season) a bit as they approach the end of the season, but even a loss leaves them in first place in the division. So I expect the Giants to play fast and loose. We’ll see, but I very much like our chances tonight.

    •  GOAT56 says:

      I have been scared of the cowboys for much of the year but the last 2 weeks have changed that fear a lot. The cowboys just play too inconsistent for me to believe they won’t lose one more with two more being more likely. Now I still want no parts in them in the playoffs because they seem to play their best football versus us.

      Washington while they could beat us doesn’t scare me of going on a run because their team has so many holes. RG3 is human and will have a few poor games.

      That reminds me I do have to credit F55 on Luck. Luck wasn’t a crazy big-time recruit in fact the #1 QB Barkley as easily the biggest recruit out of the 2. I recall F55 saying he thought a lot of the kid and he kept on going so much so that I started to pay attention as well. I bring up Luck because I say RG3 doesn’t have much around him but neither does Luck and they are somehow 8-4. He has the same Eli clutch gene but is a much much better player at the same stage. And with his athleticism he has a GOAT QB type of ceiling.

  5.  The Original G Man says:

    Has Michael Vick taken his last snap as an Eagle? Andy Reid named Foles the starter for the rest of the season.

    •  Krow says:

      I think yes. Now the only thing that remains is to find a sucker to give you something for a guy you’re going to release. The Eagles are geniuses at finding fools. I’m guessing Buffalo will be their next chump.

      •  Levito says:

        Nobody’s trading for him because he won’t command nearly the salary he’s scheduled for next season ($15MM I believe). Some team will pay him to be their starter though, I’m just not sure who.

        I said earlier in the season, and I’ll still stick with it: Vick will be the starting QB for the Jets next season.

        •  fanfor55years says:

          I don’t think so. They have to so some serious rebuilding and I suspect will go into next season having drafted someone but starting out with McElroy under center. All he has to do the rest of this season is get a few wins while looking cool under pressure and making 5-6 excellent throws per game and that position is his for the taking.

          And you can be sure that Tim Tebow will be headed to either the Manning Camp or to intense private training to clean up his throwing motion and come in next season thinking he can really compete for the starting job. Maybe he knew what he was doing after all?

        •  Krow says:

          Could be wrong but … if he’s released then he has to pass through waivers. If a team picks him up then they assume his contract. If no one claims him then his contract is void and he’s a free agent.

          So … let’s assume you’re a QB hungry team. The Eagles have hypnotized you … or done some sort of voodoo … and you think Dog Killer is the answer. You give the Eagles a pick for him … with an agreed upon contract to be signed once the trade is done. You get Vick … before some team ahead of you on the waiver wire can claim him … and before he hits the open market.

          Vick would have to agree to a contract renegotiation, which he might if he could pick the team(s). He wouldn’t endup on a bottom feeder.

          •  Levito says:

            The Eagles won’t cut Vick before the end of the season. They’ll cut him in early March and since he’s vested, he won’t have to pass through waivers. Think Antrel Rolle. He was vested, and cut by Arizona at the beginning of the league year because they didn’t want to pay his high salary. He immediately became a free agent.

      •  fanfor55years says:

        Maybe they can snake the Cards again!!!! I think at this point Larry Fitzgerald would plead for David Carr if he were available.

        While I cannot feel too sorry for someone making Larry Fitz money, it’s really too bad that someone with his talent has been stuck with a succession of bums throwing the ball for his entire career except when Warner was there. Someone should start a Free Larry Fitzgerald movement. This guy should have had a ticket to the Hall of Fame, and as of today he has almost no chance of ever seeing Canton except as an embittered visitor.

  6.  Nosh.0 says:

    I think the key to this game is to have as many players pop Adderral before the game as possible. Oh wait, what’s that? Players don’t actually take Adderral? They just use it as a PR excuse because the NFL does not officially release what the player tested positive for?

    Yes Will Hill, we know you were juicing. It’s all good my man, football fans don’t care about that stuff, only baseball fans do.

    P.S. While the Giants usually out class the Eagles in everything except head to head match-ups, the Eagles win the “independent movie about a crazy fan” award. Big fan with Patton Oswalt was depressing and weird. “Silver Linings Playbook” was actually pretty good. Cooper deserves an oscar nom, and it’s De Niro’s best movie since…….jesus has it been that long since hes made a good movie?

    Trailer makes it look like a Rom/Com but it’s a lot funnier.

  7.  Krow says:

    I wonder what becomes of Mark Sanchez now? Does he do a ‘David Carr’ and resign himself to a lifetime of backup QB? I know he hit the contract jackpot, and scored $50,000,000. There’s some endorsement money too. He’s got it made financially. Does he change teams … retire … become an underwear model? What?

  8.  TuckThis says:

    Not sure what to think about tonight’s game. You can speculate all you’d like, but as usual no one knows which Giants team shows up….the one that handily beat the Packers or the team that showed up for the Bengals game.

    •  The Original G Man says:

      I may be alone on this, but I’m beginning to think more and more that the lackluster performances vs Pittsburgh and Cincinnati were due in large part to Hurricane Sandy.

  9.  Dirt says:

    For you turkeys trying to justify that it’s better to not have a bye because of whatever happened in the past, stop.

    The Giants beat Green Bay last year because they have their number and made plays. Green Bay beat Atlanta because they were simply better than a vastly overacheiving #1 seed. And so on.

    Sure, you can point to the Giants winning twice without it, but what about ’05 and ’06 when they didn’t have it either? Surely they should have won because they were on a roll, right? But they didn’t. Because they got beat.

    But, are any of these teams the same as last year? 5 years ago? Are games generally unpredictable?

    So forget what may have happened. Ask yourself if you want your veteran team to get rest or not. Ask yourself if you want your team to be in one more dogfight where the unpredictable bounce of the oblate spheroid can send you home.

    The answer is clear. If you can get the bye, you get it.

  10.  The Original G Man says:

    Dirt – I agree … a bye is DEFINITELY desirable. Just for the simple fact that it allows your guys to get healthy for cryin’ out loud.

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