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New York Giants’ Linval Joseph Misses Second Consecutive Practice with Swollen Knee

November 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 AM
By Dan Benton

When defensive tackle Linval Joseph woke up on Wednesday morning, he noticed some swelling in his knee. So as opposed to practicing, New York Giants doctors had him rehab at team facilities, but that only made the swelling worse. Accordingly, Joseph was held out of practice and expected to return on Thursday. Unfortunately, that didn't happen as the East Carolina product sat out again.

"It's nothing serious. It's just a little swollen," Joseph said on Wednesday. "I guess when your knee gets swollen it's not realty moving so I just have to get the swelling out of it."

After missing his second consecutive practice, Joseph expressed certainty that he would play on Sunday against the Green Bay Packers, but he had also been certain he'd practice on Thanksgiving. With practices swapped due to the holiday -meaning they would work longer on Friday- Joseph's status may be determined by his participation this afternoon. If his knee isn't ready to go and he missed his third straight practice, odds are he'll be held out on Sunday.

With Markus Kuhn now out for the season with a torn ACL, the Giants are becoming quite thin at the defensive tackle position. In the event that Joseph, who has arguably been their best and most consistent DT this season, misses the game on Sunday, Big Blue will carry only three defensive tackles: Rocky Bernard, Chris Canty and Marvin Austin.

In his third season, Joseph has made 31 tackles, four sacks and forced a fumble. But the statistics don't fully support how well he's played this year.

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44 Responses to “New York Giants’ Linval Joseph Misses Second Consecutive Practice with Swollen Knee”

  1.  James Stoll says:

    That would be a huge blow for Sunday. Austin has done absolutely nothing this year and it must be seriously questioned whether he ever will
    Can Rocky and Canty really handle virtually all the snaps?
    One would think this would force a lot more Tuck, Kiwi and JPP to rotate inside and maybe a few snaps for Tracy.

    Such a big game Sunday night now that Washington did in fact beat Dallas.
    A win and the last 2 dreadful weeks are erased and the lead is back to 2 with a chance the following week to make it an insurmountable 3 against the team most likely to challenge from here on out.

  2.  Krow says:

    It’s always something.

    •  James Stoll says:

      Not sure LJ’s absence will be that worrisome against the run as GB is 24th in the league in that department, but he’s all we’ve really had for middle pressure this season and that will hurt against Rogers.

  3.  Dirt says:

    National Football Conference
    RK WLT PCT DIV CONF. SOS SOV REASON
    1 Atl 9-1-0 .900 1-1-0 5-1-0 .382 .370 NFC South Champ
    2 SF 7-2-1 .750 2-0-1 5-2-1 .505 .500 NFC West Champ
    3 GB 7-3-0 .700 2-0-0 5-2-0 .529 .479 NFC North Champ (Wins tie break over Chicago based on head-to-head win percentage.)
    4 NYG 6-4-0 .600 2-2-0 5-2-0 .451 .444. NFC East Champ
    5 Chi 7-3-0 .700 1-1-0 4-2-0 .485 .354
    6 Sea 6-4-0 .600 0-3-0 4-4-0 .490 .508. Wins tie break over Tampa Bay based on best win percentage in conference games. Wins tie break over Minnesota based on head-to-head sweep.
    7 TB 6-4-0 .600 2-1-0 3-4-0 .382 .300. Wins tie break over Minnesota based on head-to-head win percentage.
    8 Min 6-4-0 .600 2-0-0 4-3-0 .461 .395
    9 NO. 5-5-0 .500 2-1-0 3-3-0 .465 .500
    10 Was 5-6-0 .455 2-1-0 5-4-0 .509 .490 Wins tie break over Dallas based on head-to-head win percentage.
    11 Dal 5-6-0 .455 2-2-0 4-5-0 .541 .380

    •  Dirt says:

      Minnesota at Chicago 1:00 PM
      Seattle at Miami 1:00 PM
      Atlanta at Tampa Bay 1:00 PM
      San Francisco at New Orleans 4:25 PM
      Green Bay at NY Giants 8:20 PM

      •  James Stoll says:

        Was just looking at the same thing
        It is beginning to look like 9-7 just might earn a WC
        There are 7 team’s presently in that hunt — Giants, Redskins, bears, packers, saints, Bucs, Seahawks, Vikings. If one assumes we are vying for the wild card that means Washington has won the division. Assume GB also wins its division. That really leaves as our competition just the Bears, Vikings, Saints, Bucs, Seahawks.
        What becomes crystal clear is that we need to split with GB and Washington; beat NO; and split with Atlanta/Philadelphia. Under this scenario we finish 9-7, 8-4 in conference We beat The Bucs and Saints head to head so they get eliminated. And we earn better conference records than Minny, And Seattle. Assume Chicago does not implode with Cutler ailing, two paths still remain open to the Giants so long as they win the right games.

        Notice how I left. Dallas out completely?

    •  Dirt says:

      Giants would all but WIN the division with 4 games to play if they win their next 2 games.
      - They’d be sitting at 8-4, with a worst possible outcome of 8-8
      - They’d have swept Washington and Washington would be sitting at 5-7 – they’d have to win their last 4 to finish 9-7 and have the Giants lose their last 4 to finish 8-8 because they’d lose the tie
      - Dallas would necessarily win a tiebreaker because they both have nothing but common games after this week, and for Dallas to tie, they’d have to do better in common games. But, in this above scenario, at best Dallas would be 6-6 and Giants 8-4 with 4 to play, so a lot would have to go right in little d.
      - In a 3 way tie at 8-8 under the above scenario, Giants would win due to 3-1 head-to-head. No combination of the last Dallas/Washington game gets either of them to 3-1 head-to-head.

      •  Krow says:

        That pretty much nails down a loss to Washington. There’s no way this team would allow themselves the luxury of locking up the Division that early.

        •  demo3356 says:

          Bazingo! We all know the Giants do NOTHING easy.. No way they give us the luxury of resting easy for the last 2-3 weeks of the season

  4.  Krow says:

    ROT and former #1 pick Gabe Carimi has been benched by the Bears after giving up 5.5 sacks versus the Niners.

    •  Krow says:

      Coach Mike Tice said, “But at the end of the day, we all have to have better results, starting with me, because I’m the coordinator. I have to have better results. The players have to have better results. It’s a business. That’s the way it is. That’s what it’s about. Well, except for David Diehl up in New York of course.”

        •  rlhjr says:

          I can hear Demo now LOL:

          However, Parcells would have pulled Diehl long ago.
          Sorry, but TC blows chunks 4 keeping DD in the lineup. TC and DD need to sit down and have a talk. Then DD should be relegated to a sub from here on out. I am forced to give the benefit of the doubt to Coughlin and the line coach in this matter. But if they are letting DD continue to start, then the depth along the O-line must be truly horrific. Locklear must really suck.

          Coughlin can and should overrule the O-line coach. At the end of the day, David Diehl STINKS plain and simple. I understand and appreciate Coughlin being loyal and standing by DD. But its show time now and the season will really be dead if Diehl get’s Eli blindsided and hit at the knees or above the shoulders. Pull the plug coach, pull the plug.

          •  Krow says:

            To be fair it’s not like Locklear is a Pro-bowler. Next year it’ll be Brewer or a new face. Right now none of the options are particularly attractive.

            •  James Stoll says:

              Same issue with Bradshaw and Brown

              Giants are at the crossroads of the season. What do they do to jumpstart the season?

              Assume the past few weeks were just a slump and the same guys doing the same thing with the same game plan will be good enough?

              Or make a couple of personnel changes — Brown for Bradshaw/Locklear for Diehl/Tracy for Osi? Change the game plan , emphasize a running game; incorporate Wilson into the offense in a meaningful way?

              Guessing it’s the former unless injury compels the latter.

              Right now, the two things I’m pinning my hopes on are that we generally play up to the better competition, and we have just played 4 consecutive bad games (increasingly so) and thus we should be at the end of our annual mid-season slump (which, if correct would mean we got through it at 2-2, which wouldn’t be so bad in retrospect)

  5.  fanfor55years says:

    The whole thing for the Giants is whether they’ve got their act together coming out of a much-needed bye week. This team has only looked like they were “on” in two games this season. Just two games in which all three legs of the stool played crisply. They got some other wins on the strength of Eli Manning’s game-finishing heroics or turnovers created by their defense, or great field position created by the special teams (almost always just ONE of those elements rather than the two or three that makes a game much easier).

    Frankly, the team has looked like there were issues within the staff, issues within the team, lack of focus, mediocre game-day decision-making, and harmful injuries that severely minimized their options on the field. Despite that, they’re 6-4 and in excellent position. I said yesterday, and fully agree with Dirt’s statement, that if they can gather themselves and win the next two games, they are pretty much home-free (barring the kind of collapse that this team will only suffer if it is because of injuries). Even one win among the next two leaves them in good position to get to the playoffs, especially if they can then proceed to knock off the Saints (who are a LOT scarier at home than on the road).

    I just hope that over this past two weeks both the coaching staff and the players went through a “re-set” and will come out focused on the task ahead of them. I’m serious when I say that IF Nicks is healthy and IF Phillips can get close to 100% then I believe the Giants have superior talent on their roster to every team they will play through the rest of the season (at least unless and until they play the Niners in the playoffs, a team that I believe has as much talent as do we despite the beating we gave them this season). They just need to play good games, something you can never count on with this team unless they are fully focused (which, by the way, is the current state of the entire league).

    I still see the Giants winning 10 games (although I’m pretty confident 9 wins gets them into The Tournament), and none of the teams we play over the next six weeks is free of flaws (lest anyone get scared of RGIII, just remember how often the Dallas defense hit the guy yesterday and that the Cowboys would have easily won that game had they protected Romo at all). It’s a week-to-week league and nothing is guaranteed, but my feeling is that a number of our veteran players will bring their A-game at least four times from now through the Eagles game and that if Tuck, Osi, Canty, Webster, Rolle, Boley, Kiwi, Blackburn, Snee, Baas and Rocky (all of whom would not admit it but all of whom pace themselves over a season) can do that the Giants are a very formidable team.

    Hey, no matter what happens, if you’re a real fan you have to be looking forward to what should be five great, competitive games followed by what we all hope will be an irrelevant one against a team that even if they have long-since lost their season will still try their best to ruin ours.

  6.  James Stoll says:

    On the fear side, here are three items, additional to our bad play, that worry me about this Sunday:

    1. Historically we play poorly at home;
    2. Historically we play poorly in nationally televised night games (that happen not to be playoff games)
    3. And historically we are terrible coming out of the bye.

    •  fanfor55years says:

      History really means nothing in what truly is a week-to-week league.

      I am always amused at statements like “the Cowboys always play well on Thanksgiving” or “the Lions always really want to show well on Thanksgiving” or “Andy Reid never loses coming out of bye weeks”. Teams are different every season, and every week. Historical trends really mean very little.

      If anything, I’d say that the Giants desperately needed a break because they were physically battered, they were still suffering the after-effects of Sandy, and they were completely unfocused and mentally sloppy over the previous month (coaches and players). Let’s just see what they put on the field on Sunday. It will indicate a lot about where they’re headed.

      •  kujo says:

        Haven’t we won the last 2 or 3 post-bye week games?

        I don’t care what the cumulative win-loss is in the 75 years we’ve been around. The only thing that even has any pertinence is this coaching staff’s record, and I believe we’re in the green on that.

  7.  Krow says:

    The Niners are on a roll. RG3 has the Redskins playing with renewed enthusiasm. While not a believer the Falcons are still 9-1, and you have to give them that. Both Tampa and Seattle are vastly improved and fired up. New Orleans has turned it around. No one wants to play any of them.

    As for us … right now we’re not scaring anyone. We’re not one of the dangerous teams. We need to become feared again, and that has to happen in the next two weeks.

    Both GB and Washington are games that will send a message. Beating the Packers lets the league know that our slump is over and we’re ready to contend with the best. A win over Washington serves notice that we’re the class of the NFC East.

    Of course losses do the opposite. And while we wouldn’t be out of the playoff picture we’d certainly drop ourselves from the group being considered as the top contenders for the Lombardi. The next 10 days will tell the tale.

    •  fanfor55years says:

      Well, honestly, I think this team was in essentially the same place last season going into the Jets game. Lest anyone forget about it, the team started to talk a lot and got “angry” when Ryan started shooting off his mouth. Then they were being dominated by the Jets and things looked pretty tough until Cruz made that great play. The season turned on those 11-12 seconds. They made a play when they desperately needed one, and a combination of confidence and belief in each other and tight focus on the goal ahead carried them through to a title.

      For my money, I think the game down in Washington next week is quite possibly the equivalent this year. Yes, we need to win Sunday, but we need to win the next Sunday even more. And it is likely we will experience adversity in that game. It will come down to whether we make a play or two, and there’s no way of knowing that until it happens or not.

      These players are human, and work like any other group of men set out on a task that is hard and will have moments when each and every member of that group suffers from severe doubt and disorganization that saps will. Without the belief that you will reach your goal you have almost no chance of doing so. And in any such endeavor there are moments when the opportunity to create that belief through action arise. The entire endeavor rises or falls upon the outcome of those moments. Football at the level of the NFL is a wonderful way to see this drama play out each week and each season. It’s one of the things that make this sport so beautiful. None of us can know whether a few Giants will rise to the occasion and generate the belief from which achievement flows, but we can all watch these games against foes that except in one case will also have seasons that could rise or fall on the basis of whether a play is made or not, and truly enjoy the spectacle in front of us. If you don’t love this stuff, and understand that it won’t always be your team that makes those crucial plays, you will never gain the perspective that allows you to deal with loss while still loving the entire process.

  8.  kujo says:

    On a serious note, has anyone heard from norm post-Sandy? He’s the only guy I’ve yet to see on here after the storm blew through. It’s possible that I’ve missed it but I don’t think I have.

    •  demo3356 says:

      Damn I hope he is alright. Place is not the same without him.

    •  fanfor55years says:

      I’ve been wondering about the same thing. I thought he lived upstate, but I’m not sure about that. I just hope he’s okay.

    •  rlhjr says:

      I asked that question yesterday cuz.
      I’ve heard absolutely nothing out of Norm since Sandy.
      I’m trying to find his last post to see if he maybe got pissed after the Bengal game and took a hiatus. Worried about him I am…………..

  9.  demo3356 says:

    Well like i said after watching the Cleveland-Cowboy game last Sunday, the Cowboys are a fraud and NOT the team for us to be worried about. Where’s my new whipping boy Goat at to tell me they should be feared? The Cowplops are now 5-6 this year and 100-101 this century. They for the Jim Stolls of the world are the definition of MEDIOCRE!!! The Skins are really impressing me. they have quite possible the least talented starting 11 on defense in the NFL right now but are finding ways to get it done. Kudos the Jim Haslett. He is a great DC.

    •  fanfor55years says:

      But if you stop Morris (IMO the entire key to their team right now) you can, as the Cowboys demonstrated, pound the living daylights out of RGIII. I hope Perry Fewell was taking notes. RGIII is tremendous, but he won’t be able to take this kind of pounding forever. The Giants ran into trouble against them because they couldn’t stop Morris in that first half. Do that and I think the Skins are very beatable.

      But Like I said above, we will almost certainly face some adversity down there next Sunday, and how we respond may tell the story of our season.

    •  rlhjr says:

      Truth & Facts +1

    •  Krow says:

      The Cowboys have a great stadium … a storied history … they’re “America’s Team” with 5 Superbowl trophies.

      But right here and now they’re losers. Run of the mill losers.

      They’re one of those teams that find was to choke. They’re weak mentally. Distracted by all the undeserved glitz. And are no better than any of the barely mediocre frauds that promise much and deliver little.

  10.  Krow says:

    So what do people think of Suh’s tumbling Kung-fu groin attack? At the time I thought it accidental. But there’s a growing buzz that it was intentional.

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