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With Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers in the rearview and Michael Vick, LeSean McCoy and Jeremy Maclin of the Philadelphia Eagles on deck, we're turning the page around here…moving on from last week's feel-good victory and looking at what should be a tough game on the road for the Giants.
Despite how bad Philly looked last week getting spanked by the Arizona Cardinals, they always show up to play Big Blue so hopefully the Giants don't get caught in a trap. Tomorrow morning we'll have our Insider post with the guys from Eagles101.com giving us a scouting report, but for now let's hear what the Giants players themselves have to say about the Eagles.
First up: Eli Manning, who sees a defense that tries to do the same old thing but in a new way.
"Probably not bringing as much pressure as they have in the past with previous defensive coordinators. But they're still very talented, and I think they have great confidence in their front four that they can get a sack without blitzing. They have very good corners and are very aggressive with their safeties. Their philosophy might have changed a little bit, but it's still all about getting to the quarterback, getting pressure on the quarterback."
Next up: Hakeem Nicks, who summed it up by saying "they know us, we know them."
"They still the same Eagles. Still got that tough mentality. Still play a lot of the same coverages."
Now, Eli's favorite target: Victor Cruz, who said it was up to him and Nicks to get off the press coverage the Eagles are sure to throw at them, and that he didn't expect the Eagles to match up Nnamdi Asomugha and Dominique Rogers-Cromartie on a particular receiver.
"They don't discriminate. They're [just] going to put everybody out there. I don't think they're going to match us; whatever side me and Hakeem go to they're just going to play it straight up."
Cruz also said he expected much more press coverage than the Giants saw from Carolina last week. Number 80 said it was up to he and Nicks to beat the corners at the line with their athleticism.
And because we don't discriminate here at Giants101, here's defensive quarterback Michael Boley talking about Michael Vick and his early season struggles:
"Nothing's really different about him, it's just teams have been able to get some pressure on him. Anytime you get a guy moving out of the pocket, out of his comfort zone you can cause some frustration."
Boley's right that the offensive line has left Vick exposed the past few weeks and Giants fans can only hope they do it again this week. Asked if he and his defensive teammates were licking their chops, Boley played it cool.
"To an extent, but at the same time we know who they are, we know they're a good team, we know they're gonna be gunning for us."
Man, it feels like there's twelve days between Sunday's during football season…
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You can never tell with an Eagles game
Plus its a Sunday night game where we are not historically good
Secondary is looking mighty thin for sunday
Took a quick look at the posts today. Interesting.
If they have installed Bradshaw as the starter shouldn’t they do the same for Hixon as the #3 receiver rather than Barden? I think he’s a better bet anyway. And if the theory is that you shouldn’t lose your job to injury, doesn’t that go for Hixon too? I just know I want to see Brown get enough snaps to get into some rhythm.
They need Hosley. Bad. I don’t know who matches up with DJax otherwise. Certainly not Webster, who has allowed him to get behind him MANY times over the past three seasons. If Hosley isn’t playing then they have to keep a safety behind Jackson all game, and that will hurt elsewhere.
Glad to see the O-line, and Flaherty getting some recognition, and especially glad to see Tynes get the same. He and Weatherford have been absolutely great this season and are far too little noticed by most fans for their contributions (I still say Weatherford was the second MVP in the Super Bowl in Indy because he kept leaving the Pats with a long field to navigate).
I’ve said a number of times that Beatty is the critical guy on the O-line and that his availability changes the entire dynamic. It gives us three legitimate tackles and makes the depth on that line look a lot better (while giving Flaherty time to develop some of the younger guys who have talent and have them ready if called upon). Will Beatty needs to stay healthy.
Lastly, kujo, c’mon. Man up and deal with the brickbats. I get ‘em (especially from you and a few others) when I haven’t criticized anyone on an ad hominem basis, which you HAVE done. If you dish it you have to take it. You got pretty aggressive in your criticism regarding the O-line, the theory of “good enough”, the talents or lack thereof of Pat Flaherty, etc. You have to allow for aggression in response when it looks like, at least on the basis of 6 excellent quarters in succession, you might be wrong. No big deal. We all blow ‘em from time-to-time, and when we do we shouldn’t be mad when others enjoy pointing it out. Hey, I’m still paying for Wilkinson by the loss of a tiny sliver of credibility in my other assessments (although you, and everyone else, admittedly or not, knows I’ve been pretty wise in my assessments over the past 6-7 years). I don’t mind. That’s the rules of the game. I now assume you will for about the 100th time include “slobberknocker” and “old” in response to this comment. But if I take a firm position I don’t mind if anyone hits back. All’s fair in war, love, and sports commentary.
I’m taking the “brickbats” just fine, you old slobberknocker, you! (Joking, obviously)
The issue I have with Demo is that he consistently mischaracterizes my arguments or opinions, and then holds these falsehoods up and says “See, you’re stupid.” I don’t mind his schoolyard bully routine–I think it’s funny, and I engage in a bit of that myself on here. But I do have a problem with someone using 3 years of hindsight and either a willful or unintentional portrayal of my statements against me, particularly when that individual never crafts his own arguments or makes any predictions for the peanut gallery to assess.
Two examples:
1) He says I was “wrong” about Cruz, when, in fact, I did not predict anything about the trajectory of his career. What I did do what break rlhjr’s balls relentlessly for the comparisons he drew between Cruz and Larry Fitzgerald after 1 preseason game, and the game Cruz had against the Seahawks. I never said Cruz was a bum, or said he wasn’t going to be any good–I just felt that such declarations were ridiculous given the small sample size wherefore to extract them. Clearly I didn’t foresee Cruz accruing 1500 yards last year, and I believe the same could be said for rlhjr, and the 32 GMs in the NFL. I include Jerry Reese in that, because surely he would have drafted Cruz if he knew what kind of player he would become. Of course, you don’t get to use hindsight like that unless you’re name is Demo.
2) He says I thought we would draft a center in the 1st or 2nd round of the 2010 or 2011 draft. This of course is ridiculous; I never predicted that we would do that. What I did say was that I liked both Pouncey brothers as prospects, and felt that if ever there was a prospect that warranted such a steep expenditure, it would be those guys. Again, there’s a difference between what I think SHOULD happen, and what I think WILL happen. He also refuses to accept the fact that I, along with you, were right in our assessment of O’Hara, and our belief that a major upgrade was needed at that spot. I would have preferred to draft someone, but I welcomed the addition of David Baas because he was exactly the sort of impact center that I felt we needed to add to our OL.
I’m fine, though. Demo knows all of this, but he is either unwilling or unable to recognize the nuance in my argumentation. I will admit to being somewhat hyperbolic at times, and I would hope that 5-6 years of endless conversation on this site, as well as on Facebook, over texts and in person, would afford some of the people on here the ability to differentiate my (sometimes drunken) rantings and my more thoughtful posts. I have no problem standing my ground, as you well know. But I’m just done defending myself against the Sultan of Strawman.
oh Kujo, if Corey Webster could back pedal as fast as you, he’d still be an elite corner.. You did so much more than say you like Pouncey and we argued for weeks about the Giants draft philosophy on the OLine. Whatever though those who read regularly know what I’m talking about.
Ans I NEVER craft my own arguments?? Really? All I do is argue with **** clowns like you on here and challenge falsehoods and nonsense. I get that me calling you on your **** pisses you off, but don’t re write history bro.. Thats weak
oh Kujo, if Corey Webster could back pedal as fast as you, he’d still be an elite corner.. You did so much more than say you like Pouncey and we argued for weeks about the Giants draft philosophy on the OLine. Whatever though those who read regularly know what I’m talking about.
Ans I NEVER craft my own arguments?? Really? All I do is argue with clowns like you on here and challenge falsehoods and nonsense. I get that me calling you on your nonsense pisses you of,but don’t re write history bro.. Thats weak
Amen FF55yrs.. Dude can lay it out but he cant take it.
I see about 35 screen passes for McCoy in our future. With all the hits Vick has taken and the Giants’ aggressive front? Fo sho.
They did it with Westbrook, and they’ll continue to do it with Lady Gaga. I imagine they’ll pick on Tuck’s side, though–JPP has become a monster against those screens and cutback running plays.
Or they’ll just wait until Osi gets into the game and do it then. I cringe every time a team runs those types of plays to his side. Dude is a great pass rusher, but he is clueless more often than not against the run.
Vick is one more big hit away from meeting Mr. Concussion again
Screen passes are one way to avoid. But our secondary may be too tempting for Andy to resist
Yeah, the Eagles have killed us with a combination of screens, deep throws to DJax, targeting their tight end over the middle, and Vick scrambles outside the pocket that frees up receivers in the middle of the field.
But, they may now have a problem. First, we have increased out team speed on defense and particularly at linebacker when we have Boley and Williams in together (it would be even better of Rivers can play, but I’m not assuming that). That hurts their screen game and helps contain Vick. Second, if both Prince and Hosley can play we have dramatically increased our speed at cornerback while freeing Rolle to play his natural position at safety. Much tougher task for their receivers to beat our coverage. Fourth, even Fewell, a devotee of the 3-4 man rush, had to see on Sunday that blitzing Vick is a winning proposition and I have no doubt that he will do so more than he otherwise would have, especially from the right side of the defense, forcing Vick to his right and making him far less dangerous.
And if our defensive ends have a good game (and they started to look a LOT better against the Panthers on Thursday) then Vick is in serious trouble.
Add to that Joseph’s progress and the fact that he and Rocky have had great success stopping the run this season so far (with plenty of help from Kiwi, Boley, Phillips and Rolle) and I’m not sure how successful the Eagles’ offense can expect to be against us. I continue to think that with a healthy Hosley and Coe, and with the return of Canty, we will have the best defense in the NFL. We’re not there yet, but we’re a lot closer than we were in Week 1. Arizona showed what a top defense can do to the Eagles if their offense produces early. I think we can reproduce that, at least in part, on Sunday.
I would be extremely confident about this game if not for two things: the Eagles have been very successful over the past half-decade by run blitzing on their way to Eli, and jumping our pass routes (that they know awfully well) and I assume they will do the same Sunday night; and whatever anyone wants to say about him otherwise, Michael Vick is the unique athlete who is capable of taking over a game when he gets hot, especially at Lincoln Field.
I know we SHOULD win. I hope we do.
I think Joseph is the key to this game. He manhandled a very good center in Kalil last week, so I imagine he will go absolutely ballistic this week against the Eagles’ second-string center.
It’s no secret that pressure up the middle makes things easier on your ends which then makes things easier on your secondary. Basically, it’s the bread-and-butter of a good defense. If Linval (and even Bernard) can get a good push (and I think they will) and free up JPP, Tuck, and Osi on the edges, it is going to be a long day for Vick.
The Eagles always seems to play a lot better after a thumping. They finally seem to have that defense firing on all cylinders. The offense needs to be clicking from the get go, playing catch up against the Eagles rarely turns out in our favor.
And no salve for an ailing Eagles D’ like the Giants defense.
tara sullivan ?@Record_Tara
Can confirm per source that regular refs will work Thu night game and be on field for full Sunday slate.
HALLELUJAH!!
tara sullivan ?@Record_Tara
Hearing 8-year deal between refs and NFL.
mike freeman ?@realfreemancbs
Game official to me: “We’re back. I’m working on Sunday.”
I want to say that I am very pleased with Andre Brown…I was skeptical he could repeat his performance. I would still like more of a sample size against a few good run defenses but overall I am very happy he has been able to contribute to our team. We all knew he had the potential coming out of college but to get back to an NFL level after his injury is very fortunate
Plus, we all forget that Andre Brown is the songwriter behind the famous “I got a ring.”
But seriously, I think Brown’s proven he’s not a flash in the pan. He’s a tough, physical north and south runner who can break arm tackles, has a bit of shiftiness and above-average-but-not-breakaway speed.
I think we know what he is. And he fits really nicely onto this team. My money says he gets 15-20 touches to Bradshaw’s 7-12 once this all gets sorted out.