Loading ...When New York Giants defensive tackle Shaun Rogers was diagnosed with a blood clot in his left calf, it seemed certain that his season -and quite possibly his career- was over. At the time, head coach Tom Coughlin even said that he was likely lost for the year. However, the Giants surprisingly never placed him on Injured Reserve (IR) and on Tuesday, Rogers re-appeared at camp and was riding the stationary bike like nothing had ever happened.
"Well, there's a ray of hope, that's all. So we're just gonna hang in there as long as we can, see if they can determine where he is and how fast he would be able to play," Coughlin said after practice. "Nothing changed. He went and had another opinion. [It was] a little more positive, would be the way to say it, which we're happy about."
There's still no telling when Rogers would return if he can eventually return, but given the amount of injuries at the defensive tackle position, having the 12-year veteran back on the field would be a huge boost for the team. It would also offer a mental boost for the defense, who quickly grew to respect and appreciate their new teammate after he lost over 50 pounds prior to training camp.
With Chris Canty still on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list with a knee injury and Marvin Austin hampered by a lingering back issue, Big Blue currently has to rely on Linval Joseph and Rocky Bernard as their starters, and rookie Markus Kuhn, Dwayne Hendricks and newly signed Marcus Thomas as their depth.
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Jim – The giants played the most playoff games last year with 4 and only the Pats even played 3 games. So us leading last post season in pressures allowed is a useless stat.
F55 – In reading your post I count 6 DTs. If keep Joseph, Canty, Austin then add Benard, Thomas and Kuhn that’s 6. I mentioned a few days ago I think it’s possible. But to do so we would have to carry 8 OL, 5 CBs (3 Safeties) or 3 RBs. If Beatty is able to play I think 8 OL is best possibility out of those.
Goat – pretty sure the stat I read at least tried to average things out so the addition of 1 extra game ought not to have skewed things much, especially since the “exra” game was against Atlanta; not exactly a pass rusing powerhouse
If that’s the case I think the extreme game vs SF greatly influences those numbers. I would never argue the OL was good that game but they were in the other games.
if you go to the link below you will see that the o-line gave up 11 sacks and 28 QB hits (no stats on pressures) in the playoffs.
no other team was remotely close
the stats were not quite so bad during the regular season
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=POST&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go
Didn’t SF have more than half of those sacks and probably a similar portion of QB hits? The SF game greatly skews the numbers. That’s my point other than the SF game the OL was good, not great but good in pass protection.
I think the Pats — the horrible pass rushing Pats — put quite a bit of pressure on Eli
No, I’m saying we’d have to LOSE one of Bernard, Thomas and Kuhn if we don’t IR Austin.
All of this new stuff about Rogers further complicates everything, because if he could play they will definitely keep him over Thomas and Hendricks and over Bernard too. But that’s a good problem to have.
Yeah but the info leads you to believe even the best case is several weeks away. So I still think you have to cut him but look into adding him back if he gets healthy.
I can’t get too excited about Sean Rodgers future or lack thereof
He’s never played for us and the last time he was a really good player he wore a Lions uniform
if it were me I’d go with LJ, Kuhn Hendricks and Canty; Austin if he is not-IR’d, and once Canty is back and able to play, release either Bernard, Kuhn or Hendricks – most likely Bernard
I know that is a lot of inexperience in the middle and it really requires Canty to come back soon and be healthy, but relying on these aging and barely healthy DT’s doesn’t strike as measurably better
Win NOW.
Way too risky to go with two youngsters when your top dog Canty (although Joseph is going to push him out of that top dog spot pretty soon) could have a setback later on. One of Kuhn or Hendricks might make the roster, but no way both do.
I’m not for the win now thought. But if Canty is not playing you can’t line up vs Dallas with that much youth. You do need at least one vet. If Canty is ready to go for game one then I would consider the youth movement if the young guys continue to show a lot of ability.
Linval is a 3rd year player. He is not “youth.” He’s a vet, and an emerging star.
agree on LJ; I was about to say the same thing
and Kuhn could trash talk in German
think of the confusion that will cause on the opposing o-line!!
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I mean besides Joseph and I was counting him as a vet. If no Canty then under Jim’s suggestion you have Austin, Kuhn and Hendricks as our other DTs that’s the youth I’m talking about.
Rare is the time when a defending Super Bowl champ looks like a significantly better team the subsequent year. The Giants were that in 2008, and I think they’re that in 2012. Championships in the NFL come few and far between. So with a decent opportunity to repeat, yeah, I’d say “win now” is the right approach. That doesn’t mean you sacrifice the future in the process, but when choosing between two players when getting to that final roster they cannot focus on “potential down the road” over “who helps us win right now”. That potential can turn to dust.
I love the way Kuhn looks. But if I had to choose whether he stays on the roster or Rocky Bernard stays on the roster, it’s Rocky. I absolutely HATE that I’m writing this, but between Barden and Douglass I’m probably going with Barden because Douglass is just too raw.
This dictum does not apply to youngsters who have shown they can contribute a little immediately. I’m keeping Will Hill over all of those veteran safeties competing for the #3-4 spot on the depth chart. Keeping Mosley over someone who has already shown us he’s mediocre at his best.
agree to disagree
if Kuhn continues to show up I’d rather keep him and scheme a little to protect the DT’s as much as possible
as for Barden, at this point he will never be more than a 5th or 6th WR, a role that typically requires them to play specials and he can’t seem to do that
if the coaches continue to like Douglas I’d rather have him over Barden
although, Douglas probably could be stashed safely on the PS
At the end of the day, Douglas and Kuhn can probably both be stashed on the PS.
I think Douglas can definitely be stashed there, but I think it’s becoming increasingly difficult to assume Kuhn could be placed on the PS safely. He’s starting to open eyes. He’s showing a terrific motor and a knack for getting penetration. I think it’s too risky to lose him at this point.
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I still think you can’t forget the future. I think the discusion about positions like 6th WR with Barden vs Douglas vs Stanback is not a big one when considering the future because none of them projects to play a big part in our future and we have younger greater upside WRs in front of them.
I think the discusion about DTs is a little different because the only established players we have are Canty and Joseph. Canty is getting older, showing durability issues and carrying a large cap number so his future with us isn’t certain. Joseph is a free agent after 2013 so while I’m fairly sure we will keep him his future has some question. Austin clearly has talent but we haven’t seen any production in real games plus he seems to have real durability issues so his future is uncertain. Both Kuhn and Hendricks are roster questions. Benard and Rodgers are just very short term fixes. Thomas is a possible Robbins like long term solution but we haven’t even seen him play for us. We have to keep some bulding blocks especially when we no long term definites.
Will Hill at safety is a no brainer. We discuss a lot of things but I would be surprised if that’s a discussion. He’s just better than the vets right now and has upside.
I just think JR has, will and should always consider the whole picture. Look it might make the most sense to have Canty, Joseph, Austin, Benard and Thomas as our DTs. Maybe Kuhn and Hendricks are not looked upon any higher than being 3rd DTs so that’s worth the risk. But I just think the future always needs to be considered in these decisions if applicable.
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Is Marcus Thomas really a serious candidate to make the final 53?
doesn’t seem like he ever did much of anything with Denver
Yes. He was their starter and probably #1 DT. That might be too much for him but as a 3rd DT he’s definitely can be good in that role. Rodgers started last year and didn’t do much either. Playing around better players helps.
I wonder if the Giants IR Austin again and simply release Hendricks and Kuhn, hoping to clear them for the PS
and keep Canty, LJ Bernard and Thomas
maybe they carry 5 DT’s
One interesting fact that could really harm Kuhn and Hendricks making this roster. Kuhn is 26 though I know he started football late so probably has more upside than the normal 26 year old, he’s still 26. Hendricks is also 26, meaning that he may improve some but he’s not some young 23 year old who’s just stratching the surface. And how old is that grizzeled vet Thomas we brought in to replace Rodgers? Thomas is also 26 and he’s already proven he can play at this level while still have a little upside. If Thomas shows anything in these next 2 games he’s probably on this roster over either Kuhn or Hendricks and maybe over Benard and even Rodgers as well.
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