Loading ...Although no official timetable has been set for New York Giants cornerback Terrell Thomas and his return from his most recent ACL injury, some more good news came this week regarding his future prognosis. On Wednesday, he began running in a pool, which is a big step in helping him eventually get back out on the field for the early goings this season.
During last season's second preseason game against the Chicago Bears, Thomas tore his (right) ACL for the second time. After missing all of 2011 to undergo rehabilitation, Thomas was hoping to come back full strength in 2012. However, he re-injured his ACL in just the second practice of training camp. Fortunately, he did not re-tear the ligament, which bodes well for his desire to play at a high level this season. On Thursday, Thomas talked about how he feels about this new development in his rehab.
"Progress," Thomas said. "Taking it slow but doing everything I can in the meantime to get my knee strong and healthy again. When I’m able to return, I’ll be ready to go."
For the Giants, this is finally the first good injury news they have gotten in some time. After losing Shaun Rogers (blood clot) for the season, dealing with Marvin Austin and Will Beatty's back issues, and Chris Canty's uncertain prognosis, it was a breath of fresh air to hear so encouraging developments in T2's rehab.
Currently, Thomas still has a relatively vague time frame in which he plans to return. Although the initial time period put out there said anywhere from three to eight weeks, it all depends on how quickly T2's aggravated ACL heals. Surely, with his history of knee trauma, the doctors will not allow him to play a second before he is ready. When asked about a specific time frame for his return, Thomas did not have a clear-cut answer.
"I don’t think there is a time frame," Thomas said. "I think it’s just whenever the doctor gives me an OK based on how he feels, how I feel and how I progress through my rehab."
Although Terrell Thomas is seemingly still a long way away from getting back on the field at full speed, progress is always a good things. Hopefully everything stays on track, and we see him run out the tunnel early on this season.
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Norm’s detail about the OL is mostly true. But I am not certain that Diehl and Lockear will be as good as Diehl and McKenzie were last year. I know that we didn’t get great tackle play last year but Diehl appear to be declining every year and Lockear is just a journey man at this point. Without Beatty I’m really concerned about our tackles. While I don’t have any issue with how we invested in the OL, I would be very concerned about starting the year with Diehl at LT and Lockear at RT or vice versa.
It’s nice to say we should have invested more into the OL but we don’t have players like Prince and Wilson if we make different moves. With Beatty this unit has a chance to be very good but without him it’s a big concern. We bet a lot on Beatty this year and it looks like we might lose that bet. If Beatty is not our long term solution it will be costly to replace him. A free agent LT will cost at least as much as we could re-sign Beatty for after the season. Drafting a rookie LT in the later part of the first round is not a sure thing. Assuming Diehl is gone after this year then we are looking changing both tackles which again will effect to chemistry of the OL.
You said it perfectly–we placed a bet on Beatty being healthy and durable this season. That’s the bet you take with every player, only, in this case, there are a few mitigating factors that make that bet, the fact that there really isn’t much of a back up plan in place, a really unwise one:
1) Beatty has yet to play a full season. How could you bet on a guy who hasn’t proven to be durable ?
2) He hurt his back before the draft. How could we have not foreseen that having a realistic replacement added either via the draft or free agency was a dire need?
3) He is in a contract year, meaning he is either gone or in need of replacement after 2012. How do you allow yourself to be without a backup plan, if for no other reason than to retain some leverage in contract negotiations?
Now, if Brewer is the heir apparent at left tackle, fine. I haven’t seen anything positive from him yet, but I’m willing to accept, for the sake of argument, that they think he can do a decent job late this year and into next year if need be. What, then, is the plan for RT? Are we going to retain Diehl, and his salary, until one of Mosley or McCants develops? That’s a 2 year deal, at least. I mean, that’s what we do–draft guys in the later rounds, let them marinate in that Good Ole Flaherty sauce for 2-3 years, and then expect them to be “good enough.”
Again, I’m not saying there’s no plan. I’m saying the plan sucks, and is full of holes and pitfalls. I still think they should give Kareem a call–where did this “he won’t pay for the veteran minimum” meme come from? Has made statements that I’m not aware of?– because I can’t imagine he could possibly be any worse than Sean Locklear. I mean, the Diehl-McKenzie duo has 2 Super Bowl rings. I don’t see many in the future for Locklear/Beatty-Diehl.
1) His injury last year wa sa freak one that has no long term effects on his ability to play.
2) Obviously JR/TC didn’t feel the back was a serious issue. Given our other needs a replacement wasn’t going to be found in the draft.
3) The backup long term plan is probably Brewer/McCants. You can still sign Beatty to a TT like deal this offseason meaning if he proves he’s healthy in 2013 he get legit starting LT money in 2014 and the years after.
I think you have unrealistic expectations of JR/TC. We can’t be stocked at every position. And you have to rely on a few people at certin positions to stay healthy. Beatty is one of those along with Eli, Bass, Nicks, Rolle and KP (though will hill changes that). I think you need to look at other teams, if most teams lose their starting LT they don’t have great options. Our options are better than most.
About McKenzie. He was the starting RT for aSB champion and you really think he’s had zero offers to play NFL this year? None? Come on that just doesn’t pass the smell test. I have no problem with McKenize returning if Beatty was really not going to play I just have doubts that he wants to return under these conditions. Yeah we should reach out. I think you understimating the pride of someone who played the game at a high level like McKenzie. Most players are not Ricky Henderson.
He has accrued several “non-career threatening injuries” over his brief career. That’s a fact. He hasn’t played a full season yet. How, then, is it a safe bet to assume that 2012 will be the his big year, especially considering his back injury?
And please, don’t pull the “look at other teams” crap. Other teams don’t factor into our OL. The depth is sh*t, and the approach has failed. You can disagree with that, but don’t tell me it could be worse.
The eye injury was a random freak injury. It’s not an injury that causes you to have durability concerns. We have doctors they know more about that back injury than any of us and obvoiusly they didn’t share your concerns.
The depth right now doesn’t look good. But there are 3 more preseason games and much of depth is young so it’s quite possibly that out depth could look a lot better in 2 weeks. But you do need to look at other teams because you have a false sense of us doing things wrong when most teams are assed out if they lose their starting LT. This isn’t college and backup OL are not going to have the same talents as the starters.
kujo – re: oline from last night.
Yeah, I know who drafted and signed those guys on the old line. Just because Accorsi acquired them doesn’t mean they don’t exist for the purposes of JR’s decision making (and more so, it was an illustration that the philosophy is older than JR here and has been shown to work).
But more to the point, my question to you is what moves would you have liked to see JR make differently? Pointing out that his late round picks along the line haven’t worked out too well so far is one thing, I’m just curious as to when and where you think the strategy was wrong. You can’t just magically make early round linemen appear…which JR early picks do you think were missed opportunities at linemen that would be starting for us right now?
All the picks that didn’t work out … they should have been OLmen. (j/k)
I’ll give you 5 guys right now:
Sintim, Clint
Barden, Ramses
Jernigan, Jerrel
Jones, Chad
Austin, Marvin
All 5 of these guys were “risks” for a variety of reasons. I’m not saying they were bad picks–though I maintained all along that there was never going to be a time when Sintim was going to be a starting linebacker in our 4-3 scheme–but they were all high picks that could have gone towards accumulating solid offensive tackles and interior guys somewhere along the way.
But here’s the thing–we don’t draft for positions of need. Or, more accurately, we place weights on certain positions over others. That makes sense, but at some point “need” has to trump or at least meet “value.” I have stated that the approach taken has been overly confident in the ability of this coaching staff to unearth great talent from guys who were just not ready to play in the NFL. The approach has worked, but not under Reese. The line that Accorsi built was done this way, so it would have been dishonest for me to say the approach doesn’t ever work. However, 5 years into his tenure as GM, Reese has allowed the OL to go from source of strength and pride to the unequivocally worst unit on this team, surpassing our ST in impressive fashion. Reese has a plan. I get that. But I just don’t agree with it.
Barden was a rick but he was a 3rd round pick. At that point of the draft you are going to be taking some risks. Hosley had issue that dropped himso he’s a risk too.
Austin was a risk but it was 2nd round for an upper 1st round talent. He’s been injured, you can’t predict that.
Chad Jones? How was he risky? He only dropped because he has baseball options too.
Sintim? At worse he was suppose to end up like Tracy is now. Maybe Sintim playing SLB was somewhat of a risk but he should have been a productive pass rusher regardless.
Jernigan? At worse he should be a high level return guy and 4th or 5th WR. It seems that after being a great PR in college he can’t catch the ball. JR is suppose to predict that?
Not every player will work out but all players were decent bets when drafted.
I’m at the DMV so I can’t dig deep into this but all of those picks were either luxuries, risks or projects.
And Chad Jones was an inside the box safety. He wasn’t needed. The car crash was obviously not what I was referring to. You knew that but chose to assume I was an idiot.
Chad Jones had enough athletic ability to be much more than an in the box safety. I though it was an excellent pick. Basically he was what Will Hill is now.
So if that’s the case wasn’t JPP a luxuries, risks or project? How about Joseph? Wilson? Hosley? TT? My point is most draft picks fall into being luxuries, risks or projects. And “luxuries” many times are picked because we might make future roster moves. Normally the only “safe” picks are 1st rounders and even all of those are not “safe”.
The Sintim pick wasn’t necessarily bad, but the injuries obviously messed him up. I liked the Austin pick, and will wait til he plays to determine if he’s a bust or not, but I do agree that it was a very risky pick that high up. There were lots of players (at positions of need) that were left on the board. Chad Jones was also another 1 that I was on the fence with because at first he seemed to be just a guy who was pretty fast/athletic who could hit hard. Injuries aside he was a good, but not great pick because I believe there were similar type players later on in the draft. Barden was a great pick at the time because we felt we needed a tall WR for the end zone and Barden was coming off an amazing college career. It’s not Reese’s fault that he just can’t stay healthy and produce. I’m also going to wait on the Jernigan pick because his speed is definitely great and I’ll wait til he does something (or lack there of) before judging. They were risky picks; maybe some will turn out. Who knows.
If Beatty or Brewer or Petrus … or any of the late picks … had worked out then we wouldn’t be having this OL discussion.
All it would have taken was one OT to step up … just one … and we’d be fine.
This has been an amazing run of busts and bad luck.
It very well could be. And the jury is still out on Brewer and, to a lesser extent, Beatty (if he could stay healthy, he could be pretty darn good). Petrus is hot garbage and I don’t see that changing.
Hopefully these guys from this draft turn the tide. Could happen–Terrence T and other used to hammer Reese about his inability and unwillingness to draft linebackers high. He stuck to his guns and lucked out in 2011. For Eli’s sake, let’s hope he works that magic with our OL this year!
I’ll agree with norm that the blocking (both pass protection and running) should be better than in 2011 simply because of the presence of Bennett and a better, more experienced, Hynoski, BUT that only goes as long as the starters stay healthy. That was my entire point.
Locklear was signed to be quality depth. It was hoped that Beatty would be healthy and tie down the LT position for the next decade. Diehl was expected to play the right side. Petrus was expected to compete hard for the LG position and probably win it, freeing Boothe to again be a great “super-sub” across the line. Brewer was hoped to have improved enough that he would push Diehl even while losing out to him for this season but replacing him in 2013. Right now it sure looks as if not only is none of that coming to pass, but we have absolutely no reliable depth at a critical part of the “core” of the team.
You can dance around this all you want, but unless we see a lot of progress over the next few weeks from Brewer, Petrus, Mosley and Capers, or we witness a solid recovery from Beatty, or see a quality veteran signed, we’d all better hold our breath every time an offensive lineman is slow to get up this season, because the guy coming in to replace him just isn’t “good enough”. I hope to see Beatty’s back loosen up completely, and to see at least two of the youngsters start to show some real ability, but neither looks like short odds at the moment.
Is this a disaster? Not necessarily. Eli dealt with pressure most of last season. Bennett will be a huge help both in regard to blocking (for runs and passes) and allowing quick outlet throws in his direction. If they incorporate Wilson in the offense he may be able to overcome a lot of blocking failures. But let’s not pretend it isn’t a problem. It most definitely is that.
+1
I will say that Bennett will be a huge help this year. I don’t care if the Black Unicorn hauls in a single pass–if he can just be his normal beast of a self as a 6th offensive lineman, I’d donate my kidney for him to get a bonus.
Re Kujo:
1) His injury last year was a freak one that has no long term effects on his ability to play.
2) Obviously JR/TC didn’t feel the back was a serious issue. Given our other needs a replacement wasn’t going to be found in the draft.
3) The backup long term plan is probably Brewer/McCants. You can still sign Beatty to a TT like deal this offseason meaning if he proves he’s healthy in 2013 he get legit starting LT money in 2014 and the years after.
I think you have unrealistic expectations of JR/TC. We can’t be stocked at every position. And you have to rely on a few people at certin positions to stay healthy. Beatty is one of those along with Eli, Bass, Nicks, Rolle and KP (though will hill changes that). I think you need to look at other teams, if most teams lose their starting LT they don’t have great options. Our options are better than most.
About McKenzie. He was the starting RT for aSB champion and you really think he’s had zero offers to play NFL this year? None? Come on that just doesn’t pass the smell test. I have no problem with McKenize returning if Beatty was really not going to play I just have doubts that he wants to return under these conditions. Yeah we should reach out. I think you understimating the pride of someone who played the game at a high level like McKenzie. Most players are not Ricky Henderson.
I’ll admit it. I’ve liked the O-line picks and signings over the past few years.
I loved the Baas acquisition. I hope he’s the “real Baas” this season.
I thought taking Beatty was brilliant and so did a lot of other GMs who were shocked he was still there when we picked.
I thought the gamble on Brewer sounded like a good one: huge guy, quick feet, big endorsement from his college coaches.
I really like the picks this past April. If Saban says that Mosley will be a very good NFL lineman I believe him, and I liked the fact that he has a reputation, much like Diehl and Seubert did when Accorsi signed them, as a mauler. McCants is clearly a project but he just looks like a very good athlete who should be molded into a very good player by Flaherty.
I still think Selvish Capers was a good pick-up and may have value.
I thought the Locklear signing was terrific.
And God help me, I liked the Petrus pick because the guy was an animal at Arkansas and I didn’t know he was so stupid that it may take him four years to learn the elements of picking up his pass protection reads and getting to the right guy (he may be our best guy on running plays, where he has dominated some pretty good defensive tackles since joining the Giants).
So I cannot in good faith criticize Reese, Ross or the coaches. It just seems things haven’t worked out well, at least as of today. Things could change by the time the Bears game is finished. Guys could flash. Beatty’s back could clear up.
And we should all remember one critical thing: selecting an offensive lineman in the first or second round of the draft by no means assures you that he will be a high-quality NFL player. Your odds improve dramatically when you’re selecting interior linemen, but those tackles are tougher to project. And very few NFL GMs will take an interior lineman early, and the Giants’ problems are not really in the interior, where we could be better but we do not appear to be in real trouble. It’s on the outside that we have issues. Could we have done better? Yes. But Beatty could have stayed healthy and Brewer could have come on strong so having them, Diehl, and Locklear would look like a terrific group. Sometimes things just don’t break your way.
Even though I’m harping for a blue chip OL in the draft it isn’t as if I don’t like the picks made. I actually think Reese did a very good job. Locklear was a great insurance pick up. And I absolutely *love* the Baas signing. He was injured a bit early on, plus he was still getting a grasp on the playbook, but he started coming around later in the season/playoffs and did a fantastic job. That’s the real Baas and I think he’s going to get even better. Brewer still has time left to develop so I’m far away from giving up on him. It’s not like he came into the league and was ready to contribute from day 1. He’s a project and it wasn’t a secret. The same goes for Mosely and McCants. I think they were terrific picks where they were taken and the risk was definitely worth it. If they don’t turn out then oh well, but the potential (especially for Mosely) is too good to pass up. That’s why I’m not mad with the Beatty pick because he was great value where he was taken. And finally there’s Petrus. The guy is strong as an ox, but he’s had so many opportunities and hasn’t taken advantage of it because he can’t get a firm grasp on the playbook. It’s the type of thing where it could/will hold him back from developing because it’s a mental thing…
Overall I do like the picks because the value was good. Then there were the signings that I also thought were good. I remember hearing some people talk about Boothe taking over as center after O’Hara left, but then the Baas signing came out of nowhere — I was beyond thrilled. The point is we do have the *potential* for a very solid line, but some guys are going to need to make big strides and take the next step. Opportunity is knocking and it doesn’t get much easier in the NFL — to have a chance at a position you can stay at for years and years with no clear cut player in your way to usurp.