Loading ...Although New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning has been criticized in the past for his lack of emotion on the field, nobody could ever question his attitude off of it. As a young boy growing up, he had to get used to living in the shadow if his father Archie, and then again playing second-fiddle to his older brother Peyton.
While growing up as an aspiring quarterback in the Manning family certainly had its perks, there was a certain level of expectation that came with the territory. For Eli, the media expectation was that he had to be as good as Peyton, or else he was considered a disappointment. However, on Monday, Eli talked about how his personal goals never had anything to do with his older brother.
“I’ve never tried to compete with Peyton, I never tried to say I need to be better than him. I’ve accepted at times that I wasn’t maybe as good as him because he was the No. 1 high school player in the country. In college, he was going to be the first pick in the draft, so if I tried to go out there and be the same person and be better than him or the same person as him, I’m going to drive myself crazy. I’m going to go out and be the best quarterback I can be and get the most out of my potential. If that’s better than him, great. If it’s not, so be it.” Manning said.
Peyton Manning will always be heralded as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time. However, whether Eli wants to admit it or not, there will come a time when he will surpass his older brother in the hierarchy of NFL quarterbacks. In fact, that day may have already come and gone.
Furthermore, the illusion of a sibling rivalry within the Manning family is more of a media creation than an actual feud. As we have consistently seen throughout Eli’s career, Peyton has always been his biggest supporter. In the aftermath of Super Bowl XLII, Peyton even made his way to the Giants locker room to congratulate his younger brother. Needless to say, the bond between Peyton and Eli is a unique relationship that goes unrivaled in the world of sports.
“I admire Peyton and watching him on film and the throws he makes and the mechanics, I still watch in awe. He’s still at that top level as far as what he has done with the football. We have a great relationship and it’s a total support [system].” Eli said.
Although the Eli vs. Peyton debate can be entertaining for fans, it could not be more meaningless to the Manning brothers themselves. Both of them are elite quarterbacks in their own right, and neither feels obligated to prove himself better than the other. As a fan, it’s comforting to know that your franchise player has a mentor like Peyton Manning as his biggest supporter.
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Peyton is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Top 2 or 3, without even a discussion. He’s greatness. Period.
Eli is one of the best quarterbacks of his era. Not THE best, but clearly top 5. Could he separate himself further from the pack and into the GOAT discussion? Sure. He’s already got some creds to add to that cause (4th quarter comebacks, 2 Super Bowls). But he’s not there yet. He’s just not.
I agree with you on Peyton’s greatness. But when you get to that level he needs more playoff sucess and at least one more ring to validate his place to the masses.
I agree on Eli as well. But he has a lot of football left so there’s a lot to be determined.
Without even a discussion?
I think Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Sammy Baugh, John Elway, Roger Staubach, Dan Marino, Bart Starr and even Tom Brady might disagree.
Peyton is great. No question. But ranking quarterbacks from different eras is almost impossible. Eli is definitely among the best of his era and could vault into the GOAT discussion with a great next 6-7 years. Not there yet, but could be.
You can say names all you want, man. But he’s great, and by the time he hangs it up, his name will be at the front of that list, if it isn’t already.
I love Peyton and think he is a truly great quarterback. I just think it’s impossible to fairly judge players from other eras.
Joe Montana was the best clutch quarterback of all time (Eli Manning may wind up giving him a run for that title, John Elway already does, and many think that title should belong to Unitas).
Otto Graham won more championships than anyone and was a great thrower who also called his own plays even though Paul Brown never trusted anyone else to do so.
Sammy Baugh practically reinvented the position, and was, to boot, probably the best punter to ever live (it’s either he or Ray Guy).
Bart Starr was the most efficient quarterback and the leader of the great Lombardi teams on the field and in the locker rooms.
Dan Marino probably had the best arm anyone ever saw, and if it wasn’t him it was John Elway (who was the best athlete to ever play the position so far and would have won 4-5 championships if he ever had a running back before the Broncos finally acquired Terrell Davis).
Roger Staubach was a magician who might be considered the very best if he hadn’t been waylaid by the Navy for a few years. Tom Landry always insisted that he was the best ever thanks to his combination of quarterbacking skills, unbelievable athleticism, and tremendous leadership qualities. He compared him favorably to Graham, Baugh, Starr and Unitas, three of whom he played against and one of whom he knew well.
Tom Brady is great, and has three rings while Peyton has one despite nearly always going into the playoffs with a very high seed.
Again, I love Peyton, but you are prejudiced by your not having seen those other guys play. They were all great.
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fanfor55years says:
August 14, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Okay, let me make myself clear.
I assume Chris Canty will NOT be back for the first few weeks, or longer.
I assume that while Hendricks and Kuhn look promising (against largely second- and third-tier players so far) the defensive tackle position is one of the toughest to master for a young player in the NFL because of the far greater athleticism of his opponents than he has seen and the vastly more complicated blocking schemes with which he will have to deal. With the exception of guys like Suh, who is a freak, young DTs with no prior experience need at least a year or two to get good.
I assume that the Giants were prepared to allow Rocky Bernard to go unsigned while signing Rogers because they think the latter is better than the former (unless, hopefully, it was Rocky’s initial insistence on being paid too much).
I assume that even if Austin ‘s back proves to be a problem like Beatty’s, he will miss more playing and practice time and is raw enough that he will hardly be the player the Giants hoped for in 2012 as he, too, has to get used to playing a tough position in the NFL.
I assume that if Canty, and to some extent Austin, are unavailable for the first few games of the season that the DT rotation should have each of the two completely inexperienced players playing alongside someone who knows what he’s doing (Joseph and Bernard).
I assume that if we have some serious uncertainty in Perry Fewell’s mind about the reliability of at least one of the two DTs we have on the field he will want a MIKE who is absolutely, totally, reliable behind them, and therefore think Chase Blackburn gains a competitive advantage over Mark Herzlich even if the latter outplays the former during the preseason (unless the gap between them is very big).
I believe that Reese should try hard to find a quality veteran who still has something in the tank and sign him as a DT at the veteran minimum or a bit above that. Otherwise we are really in trouble if any of the four defensive tackles get hurt, or if Canty’s return becomes weeks later than they now project.
Can we get by without Canty or a veteran brought in for the first 2-4 weeks? Maybe, but teams will be able to run the ball better against us than would have been the case and the offense will have to be much sharper because they will have less time-of-possession and will have to score more points than would otherwise have been the case. It ain’t good.
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GOAT56 says:
August 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM
If both Austin and Canty are not ready for week 1 but are just out a few weeks that causes some stress on the roster. We might have to carry 5-6 DTs. Benard at his age can’t play the snaps that Canty did last year. While young guys like Hendricks and Kuhn you want only playing so much. With this our “extra” roster spot for sash and maybe keeping only 5 CBs including TT and/or 7 LBs we could get away with 6 DTs in the short term.
I understand the call for a vet but the types of vets that are available I’m not sure are any more helpful than Hendricks. Hendricks has been in the system for a few years. If you are talking vets we are really looking at Jimmy Kennedy type player. If we wait until cuts we could find someone of better quality but that’s a crap shoot. Or actually maybe a player like Fred Robbins could be helpful though he never played in this system and is really old.
I’d bring Jimmy Kennedy and Tommy Harris in for a workout.
Jimmy Kennedy doesn’t strike me as any upgrade over Hendricks. But Tommy Harris is worth a look.
Well, they’re crazy if they don’t bring in at least 3-4 guys for workouts.
Contrary to what some are saying here, they absolutely need a veteran DT signed soon so he can get comfortable in their system. I love Hendricks, Austin and Kuhn as potentially terrific young players, but right now I’d say we have no one reliable except a very good Linval Joseph and a decent Rocky Bernard. That simply isn’t enough when you’re looking for a championship.
Unrelated: Just went on Yankees 101 and saw you were mad about something. No one moderates those comments at all, so what is it you were referring to?
The “moderator” kept eliminating all of my comments despite their being completely vanilla. Happened three times. That’s enough. I love the Yankees but only went to 101 three times and never got a comment published. decided I didn’t need it because there I am really only a “learner” who goes for info so have no need to comment. I actually like their info and check it from time to time.
Once again, no one has access to moderate over there other than me, and I didn’t eliminate anything. They were getting hung up in automatic moderation (actually, I only saw one out of three) for some reason. The system works exactly the same there as it does here. Nevertheless..
I must have been the “lucky” guy who hit 3-for-3 when the odds against that were pretty high. But like I said, I check in there on occasion to find out what’s going on with the team. I don’t feel like I have even close to the knowledge of baseball that I do of football, so I am reluctant to comment. It’s a good site for finding out some inside dope. I hope it succeeds with the really knowledgeable fans who can add to it with their commentary.
It’s a conspiracy.
I KNEW it!!!!! LOL.
Jimmy Kennedy?
The only way I’d want that Nyquil-quaffing junkie back is if he arrived with a prescription for said drug, signed by Drew Brees himself.
But he’s from the Bronx. Give the kid some slack.
Austin having some health problems isn’t surprising. No matter how much a person works out, there is no substitute for full contact action. I’m anxious to know the details. His career is on the ropes right now.
F55 says “I’d say we have no one reliable except a very good Linval Joseph and a decent Rocky Bernard. That simply isn’t enough when you’re looking for a championship.”
I agree but I don’t think signing a vet makes that vet reliable either. Without Canty and Rodgers for at least the short term we are going to have some questions. Hopefully, one of the young guys rises to the challenge. But a vet like Kennedy doesn’t make me feel any better than rolling Hendricks out there. Both are question marks IMO.
I think we can hold off until Canty is healthy. Assuming he will be by at worse week 7. If Canty is a question for the entire season then we probably have to make a trade for someone.
A team with maybe even more DL depth is Philly. The DTs they cut could definitely be on our radar. I think we ahould also pay close attention to 3-4 DEs who were maybe miscasted and their natural position is 4-3 DT. Also, pay attention to younger teams with newer coaches who are looking to go young so a solid vet might be available.
Ebenezer Samuel ?@ebenezersamuel
TE Travis Beckum has not started cutting off his rebuilt ACL yet, but he said he could begin doing that next week.
Tom Rock ?@TomRock_Newsday
David Douglas is practicing. Ramses Barden is not.
Tom Rock ?@TomRock_Newsday
Five guys working as punt returners early in practice. Jernigan not among them.
Mike Garafolo ?@MikeGarafolo
What he said. RT @art_stapleton: Ramses Barden is riding stationary bike #nyg
In reading between the lines at the quotes I almost think Jernigan has ruined his chances already as PR. Maybe if he’s perfect the rest of preseason but it’s questionable if he will get the chance. Hosley was a rookie playing in his first NFL game so TC seemed to have a little more patience with him.
Olympics over, Jeff Demps wants to play in the NFL
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/14/olympics-over-jeff-demps-wants-to-play-in-the-nfl/
I would be willing to add him to our RB group to see what he has. He could also possibly help as a returner. He probably duplicates what Scott brings to the table so I guess it comes down to how we feel about Scott. He played football this past season so he shouldn’t be too rusty.
Another back (!!!) issue? Mark Herzlich having his back looked at by trainers. #nyg #giants
Again, if anyone wants to sign up for fantasy this year, email me at mkier86 AT aol DOT com. Try to include your username so I know who I’m talking to
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