Loading ...Contrary to popular belief, the New York Jets did, in fact, win a trophy in 2011. No, it was not the Lombardi Trophy, nor was it the Lamar Hunt Trophy, but they did receive the Snoopy Trophy for their 17-3 victory over the New York Giants in Week three of the 2011 preseason. In a year that was considered a huge disappointment for the Giants' cross-town rival, receiving the Snoopy Trophy was probably the most significant thing the Jets did all season.
However, as the Giants went on to win their second Lombardi Trophy in four years, the Jets would not let themselves be out done. This offseason, they acquired Tim Tebow to come in and provide some competition for Mark Sanchez at the quarterback position.
Obviously, Tim Tebow brings along a immense, passionate group of followers who often let their blinding adoration for his off the field actions shield them from his shortcomings on the gridiron. This has only increased the amount of intense, yet puzzling media attention that is constantly shed upon the Jets.
As the Giants begin to prepare for their annual preseason bout with Gang Green, they are becoming wary of the endless onslaught of questions concerning their "little brothers". Today, Giants' defensive end Justin Tuck echoed these sentiments during a session with the media.
"That’s where we’re going with this session? Last time I checked I played for the Giants and I’ve only heard one question about the Giants," Tuck said. "I really don’t want to talk about the Jets."
Although it's entertaining for fans to engage in back and forth debates regarding the Giants and Jets, the fact is that neither is each other's biggest rival. For Big Blue, their divisional foes, each of whom they meet twice every season, represent greater importance than do the Jets.
When asked about how he feels about the Giants vs Jets rivalry, Mathias Kiwanuka stated that although he respects the Jets', they are not his main concern at this point of the season.
"The ones that are going to impact your season, I think that’s what we see as the biggest rivals," Mathias Kiwanuka said. "There’s Dallas, Philly, Washington and anybody in the NFC. But there is a little bit added to it because we’re in the same city and visit the same places so you want to be able to be the best in your own town."
Hopefully, Big Blue can escape this game unscathed in the injury department. Since the inception of the Rex Ryan era, the Jets have been known to make this game out to be more than just a preseason matchup, but to be one that will somehow prove the victor to be the most superior football team in New York. Not only could that statement not be further from the truth, but it has resulted in the Jets' unnecessarily injuring Giants' players over the years.
While the game is obviously worth watching, make sure to focus on how certain question marks on the Giants roster are performing, not on the actual score at the end of the contest.
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Goal #1 is wake up the morning of the 19th to find that the Giants’ injury report is very, very, modest.
Goal #2 is get that offensive line clicking a lot better.
Goal #3 is start getting a good sense of which players are winning the contest for the last 5-6 spots on the 53-man roster.
Goal #4 is never think about the Jets the rest of 2012.
I sit here thinking to myself that in light of all the New Orleans nonsense, there is no way the Jets would be so stupid as to conspire to injure anyone. Then a mental image of Rex Ryan with his shi$$y grin popped into my head. Yeah, they could be that stupid.
I’m not clear on how the Giants tried unsuccessfully to claim Ronnie Cameron off of waivers? Like Yoga said, “Do, or do not, there is no try.”
Someone higher in the waiver order claimed him before we could.
That makes a little more sense. The phrasing conjures a strange image. When your turn comes he is either there or he isn’t. It would make more sense to say “intended to” or “wanted to”. Yeah, I’m cranky today.
Think you meant Yoda.
Yup.
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With the development of our LBs I wonder if that will cause us the replace Boley and kiwi next year. Many of us including myself have assumed Osi is gone after this year because we can’t afford to pay 3 top DEs. One way to manage that hefty cost is to reduce the cost at other positions. Our starting OLBs actually bring a decent cost to the table and releasing them can really free up some money. Many believe that Kiwi would be switched back to DE if Osi leaves so why not just keep Osi and let go of Kiwi when you have several talented replacements behind Kiwi. Or we could even trade Kiwi. I have long believed that Boley given his salary was in trouble for 2013 and the play of Williams and Paysinger has done nothing to change that thought. I know Kiwi and Boley are both very good players but we can replace them with similar talents with much less cost.
The key to doing any of this would probably be re-signing Rivers to a 3 years 11 mil or 2 years 8 mil type of contract. Blackburn could be kept for cheap and Herzlich, Williams, Paysinger all would be on rookie contracts.
I also think given his cap number next year if Canty is in some trouble. If Canty does go on PUP it provides an opportunty for some young DTs to show Canty is replaceable.
Given our young players like KP, Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Joseph, etc JR is going to have to make some tough decisions next year.
The fluidity of rosters today is mind-boggling, but there really isn’t much choice. Teams just can’t afford to make mistakes locking up overpriced talent. You can cripple a team in no time. Agility and flexibility are key. Reese understands this as well as any GM in the league.
I think there’s a very good chance they will let Boley walk. It’s possible the same will hold for Canty.
But I will be shocked if they don’t try to keep both Osi and Kiwi, and Kenny Phillips (although, as I’ve stated previously, if the choice comes down to KP or Osi I’d take Osi for three more years and figure a combination of Rolle, Hill and Sash plus a draftee could do reasonably well in KP’s absence).
I think Jacquian Williams will be better than Boley by next season. While I’d hate to lose a terrific player, Boley is expendable with that salary. If Austin shows great promise this season (and especially if that is combined with some promising preseason [play from Kuhn and Hendricks) then Canty will have to take a LOT less money or move on. Paysinger will be around to play behind Williams and Kiwi, assuming Kiwi is back.
But as for Kiwi, first of all doesn’t he have a few years left on his deal? And second, he is one of their best defensive players, flexible in regard to position, a key part of one of the two critical strengths of this team (the pass rush), and a team leader. You don’t let a guy like that walk if you can avoid it. And Osi almost certainly has three good years left in him and would love to remain a member of the Giants. His contribution to the pass rush is monumental, and he literally changes games. His presence also will help extend and intensify the usefulness of JPP and Tuck since each can get sufficient rest to play their best when absolutely needed. More importantly, having THREE great defensive ends pretty much guarantees that your pass rush doesn’t fail over the course of the season even when one of those players is sub-par or injured (see Justin Tuck, circa 2011…and remember the issues when Osi was unavailable and Tuck was damaged, a situation you have to hope is rare).
Like Chad says, GMs have to deal with fluidity on the roster. It’s a fact of life. But they still have to try and keep, and reinforce, the elements of their teams that are critical to their chances of winning a championship. Right now, for the Giants, it is a great QB and his two best receivers, and their pass rush. Reese has to be thinking about how to keep Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Tuck, Osi, and Kiwi (and probably extending Eli at some point too). The rest of the roster, like it or not, comes down to building around those guys.
I still don’t hate the Jets the way many Giant fans do nowadays. i’m still a New Yorker at heart and can never hate a fellow NY team. While I always want the Giants to do better, even moreso they things currently are I just can’t the Jets.
I understand how the Giant players feel which is why I’m not scared of the Jets playing like this is their SB. I think we will play this game with lots of energy. We don’t want to Tebow to have a big game versus us and I think we still want stop all this Jets attention.
I hate the Jets because they don’t think along the lines of “at least they’re also NY”. The Jets not only want to win, but they want to hurt us. That’s the thing that makes me dislike them. Rex Ryan runs his mouth so much and will just never shut up. When you talk about hurting players on another team then it shows such a lack of class. Have you ever heard Coughlin talk about (or act) in a way where he wants to injure opposing players? He realizes that it’s a 2 way street and doesn’t want his guys hurt, but Rex Ryan is too extreme and doesn’t think. He’s flashy and thrives on attention. I just can’t stand him and until he’s gone I will not like the Jets one bit. Plus their fans seem overly cocky. What have they done lately? Just because Rex promised Super Bowl wins doesn’t mean it actually happened, yet some act like they’ve already won it each time he said so.
You all realize that we are not going to alter our preseason game two gameplan one iota for the New York Jets, right? We are running scared of an inferior team. Who the f*ck cares about those ****?
I’m not scared of the Jets, I’m scared of Rex Ryan sending out an over enthusiastic 3rd stringer who is desperately trying to make the team. The Jets will treat this like a do or die game and it’s rumored that they’re specifically working to “take Cruz out of the game”. So yes…I worry a bit about a preseason game where the other team is gung **** and wants to hurt our players.
Where did this rumor come from? Specifically, who is the source?
Well, the first goal of every coach and every player in the NFL is to come out of meaningless preseason games healthy. So that doesn’t change for the game coming up.
What, IMO justifiably, worries some of us, is that the Jets put extra energy into this game thanks to their “little brother forever” status in New York and want to “send a message” with some ferocious hitting rather than primarily work on getting ready for the season, getting a rhythm for their team and figuring out which players should get roster spots. That ups the odds for injuries (on both sides, but I don’t care about the Jets and who gets injured for them).
I absolutely “get” that the guys fighting for roster spots will play as hard as they can and WILL hit anything that moves. That’s okay, because they’re hitting our guys who are further down the depth charts. But when starting safeties talk about taking people out in a meaningless game, and when the Head Coach starts talking about the game being really meaningful for the Jets, then our starters are jeopardized as well. That violates the kind of “gentlemen’s agreement” that rules throughout the league (note that coaches rarely blitz each other’s starters in the preseason, in good part because no one wants a quarterback hurt in a meaningless game).
So while you’re right that we won’t change our game plan, I actually wish Coughlin would take the starters out very quickly not only to protect them but also to signal to Goodell how meaningless we intend to keep these games if the league continues to insist on scheduling them. And please note that this is written by someone who led the chorus that we SHOULD play our starters and play to win in Week 17 in 2007 when many around New York thought the coach should not risk injuries going into the playoffs. That game was not meaningless (we needed to convince ourselves we could compete with the Big Bad Patriots), and when you’re in the regular season you accept that injuries happen as part of the game. But that doesn’t go for the preseason, unless you’re the Jets getting ready to play the Giants with a permanent chip on your shoulder because you know your franchise is vastly inferior to theirs and that they have ruled, do rule, and probably will rule the football world in New York unless you do something dramatic.
Again, where did this “take Victor Cruz out” rumor come from?
f55 heard it from Woody Allen’s door man.
It’s entirely third hand, but my son’s good friend has worked for the Jets for three years and says that Landry has all of the safeties pumped up and ready to “get revenge” for Cruz’s play last November that jump-started the Giants’ run and led to the downfall of the Jets. There have been a number of “let’s take the guy out” shouts around the locker room and coaches making sure that no one is talking bounties, just “hard football”. Apparently Landry wants to “make his mark” as a safety against whom you don’t ever go over the middle, a la Ronnie Lott.
Okay, so that guy is all muscle, not enough speed. Doesn’t mean they cannot damage our receivers if they hit them when they’re vulnerable. Especially with replacement officials who they know won’t control the game.
Oh. So it’s gossip?
Color me unimpressed.
Really sounds like Paysinger has the inside track for the last LB spot, most likely resulting in Jones being released at camp’s end and Sintim once his PUP stint is done
Also looks like Adrian Tracy has really changed perspective and he is the near lock as 4th DE
His new nickname is Young Osi
so there’s Osi; there was White Osi; and soon there will officially be Young Osi
Trattau to the PS (is he eligible?)
WR looks more and more interesting
Paul Dotino says that after a good mini-camp and great opening week of pre-season, Jernigan has regressed substantially
Douglas is injured and missing vital practice time
with Nicks, Cruz, Randal & Hixon locks the 5th and 6th WR’s are up for grabs
Jernigan almost definitely takes the 5th as a 2d year high draft pick
the 6th comes down to Barden DiPalma, Douglas and Stanbach
Douglas certainly seems like a prime PS candidate
can DiPalma spend another year there? If so, I bet he ends there as well
theat leaves Barden v. Stanbach
Jets are a joke
Tracy = Yosi?
Trattou = Tratossi?
this is how the giants will deal with the loss of Osi next year
rename one or more players
It sure sounds like the front office and coaches want that last guy to be Barden. he’s getting more snaps than anyone else in practices and still being talked up by coaches.
DePalma or Stanback is going to have to “pull a Cruz” to avoid being shunted aside. DePalma may still be practice squad-eligible. Stanback is not. Frankly, I like both better than Barden, but maybe I’m just too down on the big guy because he cannot accelerate off the line.
What I do know is that Stanback is the kind of all-around player and “winner” who makes any team better. He could contribute a lot on special teams and he is incredibly athletic and certainly good enough to be a #6 wide receiver in the NFL. But he may need to make a few more circus catches in preseason games to have any shot at sticking.
I’m suddenly most excited for Tracy
If he can replicate against 1′s what he showed against Jag scrubs, what a 4th DT option
I recall that great preseason game against Pittsburgh 2 years ago before the injury
seemed like another gem
then came last year and a quiet summer followed by a season on the PS
I wonder if the injury just took time to fully heal
one thing about JR, if he drafts a guy, the giants go the extra mile to give that pick a chance to prove himself
it seems like every draft pick gets at least 3 and often 4 years to make it
only Dillard and Dodge got the 2 year hook after initially making the team
Since the Giants expressed interest in acquiring a veteran DT through waivers it appears that they are not only worried about Canty’s condition but not pleased with what they’re seeing about Rogers’ health either. We have to remember that while we may all appreciate Rocky Bernard for what he offered last season, Reese did fail to sign him again until he agreed to play for the veteran minimum. So they definitely are looking for an upgrade there.
I suspect they are looking right now at Joseph as the only DT with whom they are completely comfortable. Austin should be good but everyone had better remember that DTs generally have a tough time of it in their first season of playing. Hendricks and Kuhn look very promising, but are young and inexperienced. Bernard is reliable but just average at this point in his career. So if they are suddenly concerned about the availability of Canty and Rogers they have a problem. I certainly assumed Canty was going to be fine. This attempt to get someone through waivers has made me rethink that assumption. This is a worrisome development.
Hopefully someone will be available after the next round of cuts. I’m not expecting anyone great, but a vet who can at least play and still has something left in the tank is better than Rogers right now. I was rooting for Rogers, but don’t like the slimmed down version who appears to be hurt regardless. The only thing about going the young route that I do like is we wouldn’t risk losing Hendricks and/or Kuhn. They could be solid for several years compared to a guy we’d have for just 1 season. And I admit I am getting a bit more nervous about Canty. Things have just seemed way too quiet about him for my liking. No news is good news, but sometimes updates are reassuring, like Terrell Thomas saying how he feels good, etc.
F55 – what you stated about Kiwi is true. But I don’t think he’s a great SLB or a great DE. I think he’s a good SLB and can be a very good DE. From everything I hear he’s definitely a high class individual and provides leadership. However, I think KP is more important. While I share the thought that Will Hill can be a quality starting safety, I am not convinced that Sash is a good enough 3rd safety. I think the combination of Rivers and Payinger at SLB is much better than the thought of Sash at 3rd safety especially behind an inexperienced player in Hill. In addition, I think Tracy will be a better pass rusher than Kiwi and we also have a developing Austin. So IMO at best Kiwi is our 5th best pass rusher going into next year. I agree pass rush is our core strength but keeping Kiwi does not greatly effect it just like Tollefson (though I concede Kiwi is much better). Kiwi does have a few year left on his deal making over 5 mil per year. I just think that money is better allocated in re-signing/extending Rivers and Tracy.
While Kiwi is a good player with even better intangiblies I don’t see him skill wise as a core player. I think Bradshaw could find himself in a similar position as well. I think safety is a more important postion than your 5th best pass rusher.
Okay, well I certainly don’t think Kiwi is our fifth best pass rusher. You may be jumping the gun on Tracy a bit. And he has become one of the finest strong-side linebackers in the NFL, even if that isn’t recognized yet. He also provides immense insurance in case one of the Big Three defensive ends leaves (Osi) or gets hurt.
I love Kenny Phillips and would HATE to see him go, but his staying will definitely depend upon his asking price. I think he’s going to get offered a lot more money than Reese will pay elsewhere. And while I am not thrilled with sash, I think he can be serviceable, especially if they draft a very good safety this April to come along and compete for his job in 2014.
Bradshaw is a goner unless he’ll play for around $2MM.