Loading ...Among highlights from the NFL's 93-minute press briefing on Monday, which detailed evidence from the New Orleans Saints' BountyGate scandal, included proof that safety Roman Harper was once due $1,000 for knocking New York Giants running back Brandon Jacobs out of a game. It was the second such bounty paid out for injuring a Giants player, the first being offensive lineman Kareem McKenzie in 2009.
A look back at the history between the Giants and Saints indicates that both payouts came from the same game; a game in which the Saints defeated the Giants 48-27. However, Jacobs would ultimately exact revenge on Harper when he completely obliterated the veteran safety during a Monday night game in 2011.
Jacobs would not miss any time as a result of his injury in 2009, but McKenzie went on to miss the following game against the Arizona Cardinals because of the groin injury he sustained at the hands of the Saints.
As evidence continues to mount against New Orleans, don't be surprised if you hear about more bounties that were placed on members of the Giants. In recent years, cheap shots have been quite evident against the likes of quarterback Eli Manning and more recently, wide receiver Hakeem Nicks.
In the mean time, we'll have to listen to Saints quarterback Drew Brees try to dismiss Bountygate any way he can.
“If NFL fans were told there were ‘weapons of mass destruction’ enough times, they’d believe it,” Brees tweeted. “But what happens when you don’t find any?”
It's worth noting that alleged proof exists that Brees was not only aware of the bounties, but he was aware that proof of the bounties also existed.
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Brees is THE biggest dirtbag of them all. And to think I used to respect the guy.
Something is seriously wrong with this whole deal.
Bullshit evidence, unwillingness to make whatever they have public and so on … Goodell thought the Saints would just shut the **** up and take the hit. The coaches did.
But the NFLPA isn’t the NFLCA. They fought back. Good for them. Sometimes the NFL is just on “dictatorship mode” and this time there’s resistance.
When you look at the evidence shown today, one thing is clear : the Saints can’t make PowerPoints.
There’re no laws of evidence. And the only procedures that have to be followed are the ones agreed upon by the union and management.
The confusion comes from thinking this is some sort of ‘court of law’. It’s not … it’s a job. They’re not being sued or charged with a crime. Your employer doesn’t like how you’ve been acting. He thinks you’re hurting the company, and wants answers.
This is like getting a bad annual performance review. And instead of working out a plan to improve you scowl and tell your boss to ‘prove it a$$hole’. Of course no matter what he then says you don’t believe it. But the reality is you’ve been sleeping at your desk … and everyone knows it.
They can’t just start fining and suspending people because they feel like something wrong is going on.
My boss needs evidence to fire. Wouldn’t Goodell as well ?
If not, the guys who signed that CBA for the NFLPA suck and the players are getting what they deserve for being so stupid. And we’ll have a lot more of it if the NFL can just punish who ever they want w/o providing proof of any wrong doing.
Stop this proof craziness. They’ve confessed. They’ve apologized. They’ve accepted the punishment.
This is ‘lawyering up’ … searching for a technicality. Trying to evade punishment for what they did.
romu says:
June 19, 2012 at 3:28 AM
You guys crack me up with some of the stuff you write in the comments.
Hosley has 0 snap in the NLF, Amukamara is a hurt sophomore with very little experience and teams are gonna crap their pants ?
As of right now we don’t know how Thomas’ knee is doing either.
Boley and Williams are not reliable cover LBs.
We have a great line and 2 very good starting safeties. Between that ? Lots of questions.
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This was aimed at me, so I will respond.
More or less, that same defense surrendered less than 14 points a game over their last 6 games, holding teams to two touchdowns less than their respective season averages. This came at a time when everyone was healthy.
It stands to reason that, yes, a team surrendering less than 14 points a game will give opposing offenses the sh|ts.
Especially when you consider that a) you neglected to acknowledge that Corey Webster is a legit corner, b) that stretch last year featured Aaron Ross (gone, replaced by Thomas who is better) and Deon Grant (gone, lost a step, replaced ostensibly by either a recent #1 pick or a guy who recently led the nation in picks), c) Boley and Williams might not be able to cover (although Boley actually did last year), but that is mitigated by the fact that it didn’t affect them last year and this year there’s more cover guys in the back end.
You can ignore how a lesser team than the 2012 team locked down some of the best offenses in footbal when they were all together. I won’t, nor will other rational observers.
I’m not ignoring it. I’m not ignoring either that they struggled mightily earlier in the season (over 14 games). Yes some guys were hurt, but some people will get hurt this year as well.
The only thing consistent about this team over the last 3 to 4 years is inconsistency, that is why I don’t believe for 1 second that they will maintain the level of play they showed during the playoffs.
You have no way of knowing that a 2 time ACLed Thomas is better than Ross. Who’s that “guy who recently led the nation in picks” ? Manning ?
*the “Manning ?” part is a joke*
Perhaps you felt this way in June, 2008. An inconsistent team just won the Super Bowl. Then they proceeded to slap everyone in the face until the incident.
We should be good if they don’t bring guns into a nightclub.
Well, I despise the Saints and think they are getting what they deserve. But even I will admit that they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar at the wrong time. With retired players filing class action suits, youth football examining dramatic changes in how they play, mothers around the country wondering if they should forbid their children from starting to play football, a few college players deciding to pass on the outside shot to make a roster in exchange for avoiding any further risk of head trauma, there was no way Goodell was not going to make an example of these bums.
Having said that, these creeps were warned to end their bounty program and quite determinedly ignored the warnings. And now they rant and rail about being treated unfairly and the idiots in the NFLPA defend them just to make clear to the owners that they will challenge everything (this is simply because De Smith didn’t like being told he was out-negotiated in the recent agreement and has to prove his “tough guy” bona fides to his union members so he can retain his cushy job) EVEN THOUGH the players hurt as a result of theis scheme were other union members who the union should be protecting.
And Drew Brees, whom I have known was a phony for years (and have said so right here), pretends he sees, hears and knows no evil and keeps crying about all of this even though he and that low-class bum Payton are joined at the hip and know just about everything going on with this team.
As far as I’m concerned, Drew and the rest of his crew should just go order some Po’Boys and just STFU and take their medicine. Do the deed, do the time.
So romu joins the ranks of recent posters who just throw broadsides out in order to make themselves seem more “realistic” and cynical and “show-me” about this team while implying that no one else knows what they’re talking about. Next will come the “I played football and none of you know squat about this” (the implication from some yesterday while making a series of unsubstantiated, and quite misguided, statements that had, at best, a kernel of truth hidden deep within the cow plop).
“Boley and Williams are not reliable cover linebackers”. Says who? Boley is one of the better cover linebackers in the league. The vaunted tight ends of the Falcons, Packers, Niners and Pats seemed to have a whole lot of trouble against this defense in the playoffs, or are we to forget about that and just take your word that those linebackers must have had freakish games and those tight ends just decided not to play those days? Williams has the speed to cover ANY tight end or running back in the NFL, and only needs work on recognition, which he will be getting this summer. In fact, he was doing a pretty good job of covering those guys in the last six games of the 2011 season through the Super Bowl.
As for our corners and linebackers in general, suggesting there are questions is fine. There are. But among those is NOT “Are there enough talented players competing for spots that when placed behind the defensive front and in front of the safeties that this defense will be extremely good, even ‘scary’ for offenses?” The answer to that is obvious to anyone who wants to really look.
People obsessing about the situation at the MIKE are missing the forest for the trees. We have a collection of really talented outside linebackers, perhaps among the best in the league (those who still don’t understand how great Kiwi played last year just aren’t paying attention; Boley had a great season that definitely was as good as any but the very, very, top guys in the league; Williams looks like a perennial Pro Bowler-in-the-making; Rivers has immense talent that just has to be harnessed by getting his head straight and his body healthy; Paysinger is an all-over-the-field play-maker; and herzlich could turn into a very good SAM if he cannot win the job at MIKE). We don’t need a great MIKE, just a good one. Chase Blackburn is good. Good enough, as he proved last season. If Herzlich, or Muasau beats him out, or if Fewell decides that Boley or Rivers can play that position, all the better. But the linebackers will be fine, and as deep as any team’s.
Questions about the corners? Sure. The first is who will be the starter on the outside complementing a tremendous corner in Corey Webster who has consistently shut down #1 receivers for the past few years? Terrell Thomas who was headed for Pro Bowl status when he was injured, Prince Amukamara who is a #1 pick and showed flashes of brilliance last season once he figured out what he was doing after coming back from injury and having had zero preseason (one might remember that EVERY quarterback was trying to pick on him, yet in the playoffs balls were rarely thrown his way….having witnessed the Atlanta game and the Super Bowl I can tell you that Ryan and Brady wanted to throw at him but his coverage made it too risky so they went elsewhere almost every time), or a rookie in Holsey who apparently has the absolutely perfect skills for an NFL corner and only needs to learn the game. Who plays the slot? Amukamara? Thomas? Holsey? One of the others, who include Tryon who looked absolutely great in the slot last year before getting hurt? These are the kinds of “questions” every team in the NFL would like to have.
So yeah, there are questions. And almost every one of them is a good one that means the Giants’ defense is going to be awfully tough if they can stay healthy.
I’m not implying that I know more than you.
I just give my honest opinion about this team.
You say Boley had a great season ? Fine. I don’t. ie I think I was abused in coverage during the Superbowl.
You see Williams has PBer ? Ok, I wouldn’t go there yet even though I like what I saw.
I don’t agree that Amukamara showed anything resembling brilliance, but again,
I won’t try to convince you as it’s not my goal and as it’s pretty clear that years of padding youselves on the back and saying what great football minds you all are on Giants101 made you all certain to be right.
I can’t say for the rest of the postseason, but I distinctly remember watching the GB game and Rodgers trying to pick on Amukamara and deciding to go elsewhere because the coverage was solid. Rodgers obviously isn’t a slouch and prince held his own; barring a setback with his foot which is certainly possible, I see no reason to be concerned about princes development.
The NFL transition for a corner is not an easy one, and given the circumstances I was just happy to see the kid take the field last season, let alone do a decent job. Brilliant? I don’t know. But good enough to not get burned by some of the best offenses in the NFL, which is fine by my reckoning.
You’re free to disagree, but how about using something other than your opinion? Who, exactly, abused Boley in coverage in the Super Bowl? A halfback whom the Giants decided was the lowest priority in coverage and who was shut down in the fourth quarter when Brady knew he couldn’t go that way any longer? A tight end who disappeared for all practical purposes despite the fact that Brady looked to Gonzalez all game long but couldn’t get the ball to him through good coverage?
Yeah, it is just my opinion that Williams could be a Pro Bowler, but it IS an opinion that has been proved pretty accurate over the past years on this site (I keep saying it’s worth keeping track of opinions because in situations like this it helps allocate credibility).
As for Amukamara, I watched him very closely last season and can say without any hesitation that he went from a kid who was totally lost to a corner who was so solid in coverage that the ball was very rarely thrown his way over those last six games of the season. He still wasn’t sure of his assignments but his closing speed and his ability to get in passing lanes was quite obvious. Brilliance doesn’t only mean interceptions and passes defended. Revis doesn’t have that many of those because most quarterbacks aren’t going to challenge him (uh-oh, here comes the “You compared Amukamara to Revis!” misrepresentation).
Tell you what, I won’t try to convince you of anything but based on your recent comments I’d take the opinions of an awful lot of the “back-patters” on Giants101 over yours in a heartbeat because they have proven astute and insightful, and they frequently cite evidence that backs their opinions. Questioning, doubting, wondering….that’s all so easy when there are always questions about anything in life. For all any of us know Eli will have a terrible season. I very much doubt it, but it would be easy to say “How can all of you be so confident about Eli when he had so many picks just two seasons ago?” Nothing is certain, in football or life. But throwing brickbats is simple. Making a case is hard. I try for the latter, as do many around here. You might try it. It’s fun.
good to see we are all rounding into form for the season
my two cents are that the giants will likely be in 2012 what they have always been under Coughlin: an enigma.
on the one hand they have several really talented players at the top of anyone’s list: Eli, Nicks, Cruz, Tuck, JPP, Osi, Phillips and Rolle.
They also have many promising young players, including recent draftees.
whatever I or anyone else may think about TC or KG as coaches, they now have 2 super bowl titles and 5 playoff appearances in 8 years.
but they have only produced 1 12-win and 1 11-win season in those 8 years
their two supe seasons were 10-6 and 9-7, respectively, during which they turned in several stinkers. and then, following those thoroughly mediocre seasons, they then proceeded to run the gauntlet in the post-season against the best the league had to offer.
Eli has been a turnover machine for much of his career, and yet produces 4th Q comebacks like no one else
the offensive line can’t seem to open holes for the RB’s and Eli is among the most pressured QB’s in the league, and yet the offensive numbers are prolific when the the counting is done
JR keeps letting this or that vaunted player go only to replace him with someone better
and Tynes will never make the end zone on KO’s, will miss easy 30 yarders several times during the regular season, and will then pop the game winner in OT with the championship on the line
I have now officially joined the “I don’t know what to expect” club when it comes to the G-Men
with the schedule they face this year 7-9 or 8-8 is not unimaginable, especially with the volume of injuries we incur annually
but 12-4 or better seems just as likely
one thing is for sure. right now, we are the champs. say what you will, project how you want, rate this guy or that, but right now, today, we are the champs. and we will stay the champs until we are dethroned. and no other team in the league can lay claim to the possibilities if one just makes the playoffs, the way the Giants can.
so sit back and enjoy.
I also feel that the LBers have something to prove… there is definitely talent there but what I want to see is someone who is heady and can get the defense into correct sets…
On CB I feel we are good as long as we don’t sustain the type of injuries we did last year… or if webster goes down we could be in trouble depending on how some players recover/progress
BTW I do feel our weakest position is K… Tynes is a liability and his range is awful… but we have won 2 sb’s with him so he will likely be a giant for many more years
Tynes is an above average FG kicker … and has shown the ability to hit pressure kicks. From that standpoint I’ve always been fine with him.
However I used to hate … HATE … his short kickoffs.
But nowdays that’s becoming less and less of a problem. By next year they’ll be kicking off from mid-field.
What to expect? No one knows what to expect in any NFL season. Injuries and a variety of other variables will always shape seasons. The best you can hope for is that your team is one of 7-8 that look to have a very legitimate shot at a championship going into the first game.
I believe, as I have for the previous five seasons, that the Giants are among those teams. They have a lot of talent across the board, they are deep, they are well-coached, and they still sound hungry. They have a brutal schedule, but if they can survive it they will be well-served by all of those tough games as they enter the playoffs. My mantra has been very simple: make the playoffs and then hope you’re the hot team that gets a few breaks along the way and makes a few more plays than the other guys. I believe that is a very realistic hope for the 2012 New York Football Giants.