Loading ...With all the talk about the New York Giants and their alleged cap problems, there's been much speculation about who's going to get the ax to shave off some "unnecessary" salary. A name frequently seen near the top of that list in center David Baas, who signed a five-year, $27.5 million deal with the Giants only a year ago.
Common sense aside, some feel Baas' $3 million base salary for 2012 makes him a legitimate candidate to be released.
"Here is the deal: the New York Giants are $9 million OVER the cap right now. They need to get under it by March 13th, when free agency begins. This is why Jacobs is most likely as good as gone with a few other players as well, possibly Canty, Baas, maybe others," wrote another Giants site.
To clarify, the Giants are actually only $1.67 million over the projected 2012 salary cap right now, and that does not include a potential $1.07 rollover from a year ago (this still need to be clarified and confirmed) and the three $1.5 million salary cap exceptions the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) will allow for 2012.
Getting back to Baas however, cutting him in 2012 would accelerate the remaining $6.8 million of his bonus to this year, ultimately costing the Giants $6 million against the cap. In other words, $3 million more than his $3 million base salary ($2 million of which is guaranteed).
SIGNING BONUS: $8.5 million
BASE SALARIES
2011: $1m (guaranteed)
2012: $3m ($2m guaranteed)
2013: $4.25m
2014: $4.75m
2015: $5m
WORKOUT BONUSES: $250,000 each year from 2012-15
Quick math shows that works out to these salary-cap numbers:
2011: $2.7m
2012: $4.95m
2013: $6.2m
2014: $6.7m
2015: $6.95m
So, there you have it. Cross Baas off the list of potential cap casualties. You can probably cross Chris Canty off of that list as well. The cap situation isn't nearly as bad as it's being made to seem.
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Well, I guess you count me as one of the few in the Baas camp. I think speculation that they might actually cut him is ridiculous.
I know they wont cut him but the question on my mind is he going to be the starter at center come week 1??? personally i liked booth better if he can learn how to snap reliably over summer camp he was blowing up defenders like wilfork ect but who knows resse and couhlin will do whats best and the best person will be starting come week one
He’ll be the starter. They aren’t going to pay him that kind of money to ride the bench.
Ridiculous, they’ll never cut Baas.
His contract seems even more crazy now than it looked last august. Let’s hope he plays up to it in 2012.
I actually went along with Reese -I thought it was a good signing and despite my protestations that he didnt need a helmet thus possibly saving the team money , they gave him one anyway
But seriously , I thought his play was up and down and I think uncertainty and newness with the system and the unknown seriousness of his neck injuries helped to give some people cause to possibly think that it wasnt a good signing .
But , Just remember that he did not start as a centre so he is potentially still learning the position .
So , Im expecting an upgrade in his play next year
Let’s not forget this guy is as much a C as he is a R/LG, the staff seems to appreciate versatility.
I know I’ve said it before, but the cap … while real … can be managed. However there’s no sense going through the work to reduce it until you need the room. There’s no prize for having available cap space unless you want to sign someone.
Now the Giants have a cap issue … so they’ll take the steps necessary to manage it. Underperforming players will be dropped … contracts will be restructured … and some of our FAs won’t be offered contracts lucrative enough to retain them.
That’s how it goes … business as usual.
Pat Traina made a great point the other day. Everyone has been speculating cap numbers but no one really knows the deal yet.
“veryone keeps saying there is no cap room and that’s not completely correct. First, no one knows what the new salary cap will be. Second, no one seems to be taking into consideration that 1) teams can carry over any unused cap room from last year – in the Giants’ case, that’s $1.07M. And 2) that teams will also have three $1.5M credits to use on contracts this year. I would urge you and everyone else to wait to see regarding the cap space situation and just how much the Giants are over before jumping the gun.”
Yeah well … if we can’t “jump the gun”, what are we supposed to do ?
It’s the off season, aren’t we supposed to jump the gun about the cap, the draft, the FAs, the trade and all those other stuff ?
I urge you people not to discuss roster moves, draft trades, coaches philosophy. Let’s wait for Labor Day and then we can talk about the 2012 offseason.
I believe this was in reference to the cap, I’ll give it another look though
No, I understand it was about the cap.
But there’s no point saying “don’t talk about it yet, you don’t have all the info”. We know we don’t.
Agreed, but I’m thinking Traina’s comments were more due to the huge amount of media coverage being given to it, and the ensuing panic being seen in a lot of places in response to those media reports.
Basically, she’s just pointing out that the cap situations of the four teams that are constantly making headlines (Steelers, Panthers, Giants, Raiders) are not likely as bad as they seem. Especially since not a single “ESPN-like” report has bothered to mention the three $1.5M exemptions that all teams are getting to keep veterans.
So keep that in mind right off the bat. When it comes to keeping our current talent under contract, you can basically knock $4.5M off right now. That’s already 50% of our reported overage.
Plus the 1M credit that brings the us $3.5M over the 2011 cap
The Baas hate is and always has been insane. The guy will be fine. And by the way, can we please stop with the Boothe to center talk? If a guy looks like he could be a good center, if it weren’t for that whole pesky “snapping the ball” thing…you know what that makes him? A guard.
I really like Mario Manningham and would be absolutely ecstatic if the Giants can find a way to keep him, but FF55 is starting to sound a little delusional about the guy. “Brilliant” on the deep sideline? Brilliant? The guy is personally responsible for as many incompletions as he is completions on those routes, just like he was in the Super Bowl.
In fact, the Giants two biggest miscues on offense both belonged to Mario. The deep sideline route where he ran himself out of bounds (which, by the way, he still SHOULD have gotten both feet down on even though he ran a poor route…again), AND the huge drop on 3rd down that hit him in the hands. That’s not even counting the non-call PI which he honestly still should have caught despite the interference.
I like the guy, I own his jersey, and I think he is far more valuable than any receiver we could replace him with. But the word “brilliant” and Mario Manningham should almost never be used in the same sentence and I mean that in more ways than one.
About the only aspect of his game that word applies to is as a runner after the ball is in his hands…and let’s use “electric” instead just to be safe…”brilliant” is just…not Mario.
You forgot one. On the very next play after “the catch” it appears he ran the wrong route.
That after the catch thing…he has/had this nasty habit of catching a pass at the first down marker then running a yard backwards to try and break free. Sometimes he broke free, other times he cost us a first down.
Yeah, I like Mario, think he’s got some real upside, and would love to resign him … but the guy has to lead the team in mental mistakes.
For every awesome play that MM makes, there’s about 3 or 4 that he duffs.
As I’ve said here time and time again, I like him and think he’s a talented WR. But I don’t think he’ll be much better than he is right now. Some team will overpay him, and then you’ll hear their fans complaining about how he’s overpaid. But yeah, he’ll make plays here and there.
Haters be hatin’
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/mario_to_rescue_7ExhyXlwXxlLHqCQ30jbIP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/mario-manningham-catch-giants-wr-super-bowl-video_n_1256415.html
Not hating.
a series before that he was wide open and caught the ball out of bounds. Just sayin’/
I hope the Giants cut Baas.
Not for financial reasons, mind you. Purely for aesthetic ones.
For starters, big heads bug me. Now, if we were talking 2-3″ above and beyond the circumference of your average dome, I can deal with that. But anyone with an orb that size should not be out on a football field. Send him to the Hayden Planetarium where he belongs.
But that’s not the main reason I want Baas replaced. I can imagine no greater thrill than to watch a repeat of the start of last season when Eli, a brand new center, and a reshuffled line once again attempt to implement Killdrive’s Chinese Trigonometry Offense. Such a beautiful chaos! Kind of like a Jackson Pollack painting or a recording by Ornette Coleman. It may not be ideal football. But as art, it’s wonderful.