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Who Would the New York Giants Select: Mike Pouncey or Corey Liuget?

April 10th, 2011 at 8:02 AM
By Hazem Kiswani

Every year, around NFL draft time, football fans start to hear the buzz about the prospects their team could be targeting with their first round selection. Some years – the likely selection becomes clear a week, even two before draft day. Other years, the team is linked to a baker's dozen potential picks.

New York Giants personnel work the phones before the Giants made their first round pick at the 2010 NFL Draft at Radio City Music Hall in New York, April 22, 2010. REUTERS/Shannon Stapleton (UNITED STATES – Tags: SPORT FOOTBALL)

For the New York Giants this April, it's the latter. Today, Giants 101 starts the process of pitting these prospects against each other, putting into motion the grand debate as to who New York will select with the 19th pick.

OG Mike Pouncey, Florida — 6'5, 303 lbs.

Pouncey is a player that has been gaining steam as the draft approaches, but the chances of him being available at that 19th selection slot are pretty solid for the Giants. Not quite as initially impressive a prospect as his brother Maurkice, Pouncey is certainly a first-round talent with his biggest assets being his versatility as an interior lineman, as well as his instincts and commitment to his craft. The physical skills are there as well, as Pouncey shows good strength, footwork, and lateral agility. Quick off the snap and aggressive, Pouncey shows a good motor on the field.

New York has some uncertainty along the interior line, with Rich Seubert's injury concerns a question mark, and Shaun O'Hara coming off an injury-plagued season as well. Pouncey's versatility and commitment to the game could be very attractive to the Giants coaching staff, and he could man down an interior line spot alongside Chris Snee for years to come.

DT Corey Liuget, Illinois — 6'2, 298 lbs.

The first words you hear associated with Corey Liuget are the first words you hear associated with the New York Giants defense – pass rush. Liuget is a guy who gives interior offensive linemen nightmares in one on one situations with his speed, quickness, and explosiveness off the snap. Liuget plays with a strong base, and is certainly no slouch against the run.

Liuget's explosive, active, violent approach to the game is one that will fit in very well in this Giants defensive front seven. Barry Cofield is far from a lock to re-sign with Big Blue, and this is a prospect that certainly fits the mold of what the Giants look for along their defensive front line.

My Selection

If it came down to these two prospects for the Giants on draft day, my vote would certainly be cast for Corey Liuget of Illinois.

Playing alongside Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora, Liuget could quickly find himself in position to be an impact player for the Giants defense with several one on one opportunities along the interior. This is a prospect with a very high ceiling and the potential to be a true dominant force from the defensive tackle position in a 4-3 scheme. His closing speed isn't elite – and the sack numbers may not be overly impressive, but make no mistake – this is a guy who can consistently collapse the pocket and put pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Liuget has a great attitude and approach to the game, and certainly looks the part of a defensive coach's dream prospect.

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29 Responses to “Who Would the New York Giants Select: Mike Pouncey or Corey Liuget?”

  1. Matthew Kiernankujo says:

    I seem to remember last year hearing about how seldom it is for DTs to be selected in the 1st. Unless the player is truly dominant like Suh, teams wait until the 2nd round to take defensive tackles.

    I don’t know that I did much research on that statement, but it seems like it would be true in the same way that you shouldn’t take a RB in the 1st unless they were a real special back.

    This isn’t to refute Haz’s article at all. It could be that Liuget is that sort of player.

    • Matthew Kiernankujo says:

      Is this a particularly deep draft for DTs? If that were the case, and a good one could be had in, say, the 3rd or 4th round, I’d opt for that route.

    • Matthew Kiernankujo says:

      Then again, the same argument can be made for most non-skill positions, particularly the interior OL.

    • Mike Jefferisny92mike says:

      Considering the age, injury, contract lengths and depth we have at guard/center. Hands down I would take Mike Pouncey. Would have a potential full year to develop as a center under O’Hara before ultimately replacing him. With the injuries to Rich and considering his age. He could beat out Rich for a starting spot his first year.

      With the Giants having Canty, 2nd round pick Lival Joseph, and them placing a tender on Barry Cofield. I just don’t see the glaring hole that would warrant a first round pick.

      Personally, I think that the Giants have been trying their hardest to move David back inside by drafting Whimper, Koets and the latest Beatty. Giants are looking for a true LOT, I could see them going Sherrod, who I actually think is the best LOT prospect in this draft and would consider him a steal at 19.

  2.  Samardzija says:

    I approve this message….

  3.  SterlingTN says:

    For what’s it worth, here are the Giants’ Round 1 choices at DT, RB and interior line going back 35 years:

    DTs in Round 1: 2003 William Joseph, 1976 Troy Archer.
    Archer’s career was off to an excellent start when he was killed in a car accident. WJ a bust.

    RBs in Round 1: 2000 Ron Dayne, 1995 Tyrone Wheatley, 1991 Jarrod Bunch, 1990 Rodney Hampton, 1985 George Adams, 1982 Butch Woolfolk.
    Hampton wound up being a great pick. One could easily argue that all the rest were busts for the Giants, although Wheatley did have a couple of very good years with the Raiders..

    Cs in Round 1: 1989 Brian Williams
    An excellent choice.

    Luke Petitgout was picked as a guard, although he wound up being an OT for us.

  4. Robert Hodgesrlhjr says:

    This is catch up post. My feelings if a DT is actually taken with pick 19 will follow;

    Costanzo would be an excellent pick. I’ve liked him all along.
    My only issue with taking him is the overriding need for a first class linebacker. If the Giants take him, then it theoretically paves the way for DD to move inside. Then a center could be taken in round 4.

    That would leave rounds 2 & 3 open to select LB and DB help.
    If Pouncey is taken, the equasion changes because DD can stay at LT, and Pouncey can plug in at LG with center potecial.
    You still target a true center in round 4. And still use rounds 2 and 3 for defensive help.

    Now the OL is covered especially (when) if O’Hara turns up on the PUP or oherwise disabled list. Sueburt (IMHO) is toast this year and beyod. Ether Costanzo or Pouncey along with a center in round 4 will cover the Giant OL and take away the possibiliy of relying on Andrews, Sueburt, O’Hara and Cotes coming off of serious injuries.

    • Matthew Kiernankujo says:

      Agreed, with the caveat that I believe Pouncey and Petrus could compete for the center and guard positions, thereby alleviating the need to spend a middle round pick on a center.

    •  SterlingTN says:

      I can’t see the Giants picking two interior linemen in the first four rounds. Maybe a second one with one of the many Round 6 picks.

      • Robert Hodgesrlhjr says:

        I understand your view Sterling. However, the Giants find themselves in a position where they need production from what ever OL selection(s) are made this year. The pick (or picks) need to be able to take the feld this year. I could be wrong but that may not be possiable with a 6th rounder.

        I do however like Fusco in that (6th round) area. That could perserve another slot for defensive or even TE/RB or Safety help.

        •  SterlingTN says:

          rlhjr: Although last year proved that a rash of injuries on the OL is indeed possible, unless that happens again I can’t see two rookies getting substantial playing time on the line. One of the problems with the OL, of course, is what we don’t know: if Koets and Andrews are healthy, the prospects look much brighter. But we simply don’t know.

          As I’ve said before, I think Petrus will be starting sooner rather than later. I’d heard he’d been working at C, but there’s no indication yet that he’s ready. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. It’s more likely, IMHO, that he winds up at LG, with Diehl remaining at LT. At least for now. The picture changes, however, if Andrews is healthy… because he’s the best of the lot.

  5. Robert Hodgesrlhjr says:

    And catching up with day before yesterday with Sam:

    “rhljr if we get a DT why would we get ANOTHER run stopper? That would be pretty wasteful when we already have to of them under long contracts..”

    About a week ago, you were saying how the Giants just might be looking at another DT. I just think Phil Taylor is another Hanesworth without the character issues. He comes from a 43 alignment, and some scouts say he can transition to a 34 nose man.
    In either event, he is indeed explosive, and almost impossiable to block man on man. And he is also quick enough to cause issues with his penetration skills. In short he’s a beast. Powerfull, 330 pound energizer bunny. His motor for a guy his size and strength is off the hook.

    Also, the Giants often use Osi, Tuck or JPP at DT on passing downs for penetration. Bottom line, Taylor playing next to Landfil (who is also quick and super strong) would be a nasty combo.

    As good or better than the Vikings duo. That would take a hell of a lot of heat off of whoever is playing linebacker. (IMHO)
    My eyes would still bleed if Reese took him, but they would eventually heal….I guess.

    •  Samardzija says:

      LoL what do you mean without the character issues? Guy has major red flags regarding his attitude and was kicked out of Penn State. As a passrusher he can most certainly be blocked. Im not sure what guy you are seing when talking about penetration skills, this is the guy who had 2.5 sacks in his last two years.

  6. Robert Hodgesrlhjr says:

    LOL, Has he steped on anyones head lately?

    Taylor is an excellent prospect and it’s my opinion. However, his comparision to Hanesworth is very real…..if you are objective.
    Also, what would be so wrong about having DT’s who very closely mirror what the Vikings have had over the last few years?
    Especially when you add the DE’s the Giants have.

    Finally, what about the idea that number one, the guy grew up?
    and number two, who said any player will not project better at the pro level than at the college level? I will attempt to explain with the following backroud (your red flags, not mine) and scouting views.
    Bottom line Sam, the kids a beast::

    Off-field incident in October 2007 would prove to be the beginning of the end of Taylor’s time in Happy Valley. He was involved in a fight during a fraternity function at the student union. A felony aggravated assault charge was dismissed, and Taylor was charged with simple assault. That led to a suspension in February and ultimately his dismissal from the football program.

    Taylor transferred to Baylor and sat out the 2008 season, but began to show increased maturity as he was selected in the spring of 2009 to the Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll. He played in all 12 games, including nine starts, as a junior, but didn’t make a slew of impact plays.

    It was his excellent 2010 season that put Taylor back on the map as an elite NFL prospect. He earned second-team All-Big 12 honors after making 62 tackles – the most by a Bears defensive lineman since Ethan Kelley in 2002 – to go along with seven tackles for loss and a pair of sacks.

    Statistics don’t tell the story with Taylor, however. He has a massive frame and extremely strong upper body, which makes him a rare natural fit as a 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL. And that’s why 33 scouts flocked to Waco, Texas to watch his March 7 pro day. He impressed again, and has enjoyed an excellent pre-draft run that included strong showings at the Senior Bowl and the scouting combine.

    If scouts are convinced Taylor’s off-field immaturity is in the rearview mirror, his excellent strength and mobility for his size will push him close to the first round.

    YOU FAVOR LUGETT, and Im not mad at ya for that.
    The best nose tackle in this class almost without question as far as perfect fits go, because of how in shape he looked for a 337 pounder and the way he took on two blockers without getting pushed back shows that he’s a future 3-4 NT, and it’ll be hard for teams to pass on a guy like him late 1st, early 2nd round.

    Pass rush: Though his job is usually not to provide primary pass rush, he can push the pocket with strength and flashes quickness off the snap and a swim move to get past lesser centers. Gives good effort to reach the quarterback if he sits in the pocket too long. Tries violent hands to shed blocks. Not very effective on inside twists, though he can take out the left tackle when twisting outside to free up the defensive end. Once stood up by initial contact, it’s tough for him to re-start his rush.

    Run defense: Shows excellent strength and mobility as a run defender. Plays with leverage against double-teams and keeps his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage. Pushes back his man and spins off single and tandem blocks with balance to make the play. Moves down the line well, stays low despite his height to wrap up shorter backs. Willing and able to reach the sideline, takes deep angles to prevent huge runs. Defeats cut blocks and maintains balance to track down ballcarriers. Gets low in short-yardage and goal-line situations. Does not dominate smaller centers. At his best when used in a rotation.

    Explosion: Explodes from four-point stance into blockers, consistently getting push up front. Gets off low and quick near goal line to set the line backwards. Despite his size, flashes the quickness to penetrate the “A” gap. Requires double-teams to keep him out of the backfield.

    Strength: Huge frame and upper-body development give him the strength to be a 3-4 nose tackle at the next level. Moves offensive linemen to either side with relative ease when covering two gaps. Forces fumbles with one hand punching at the ball while ballcarrier comes through the hole. Uses leverage to hold the line against double teams.

    Tackling: Running backs get swallowed up when crossing his path, and he can separate the ball from a ballcarrier with pure strength. Stays low despite his height and will capture backs from behind if they have not yet hit their stride. Chase and hustle are impressive for his size, will chase backs down the line, help linebackers make stops at the second level, and takes deep angles to chase down running backs 20 yards down the sideline.

    Intangibles: Sprained his knee in 2007 preseason at Penn State, losing starting job to future first-round pick Jared Odrick. Charged with felony aggravated assault during a fraternity function at a Penn State student union in October 2007; the charge was eventually dropped. Really turned up his game the second half of 2010; scouts could see that as maturity or wonder if he can maintain that level of play.

    Compares to: Kris Jenkins, Jets — Big and powerful, Taylor projects nicely as an interior player in both the 4-3 and 3-4 alignments. If teams are convinced that the off-field concerns that prompted his transfer out of Penn State are a thing of the past, he could wind up a first-round pick

    Thats better than Coefileld, and Joseph’s projections right out of the box. And seems to me at least comparable to Hanesworth.
    Although a young Chris Jekins ait choped liver.

    •  SterlingTN says:

      I’m not familiar enough with Taylor’s performance to have a strong opinion, but that’s certainly a good argument on his behalf.

      And while I always like “good character” players, if the incident three-a-half-years ago is the only black mark on his character, it does seem minor in a world where Michael Vick is king, and the league is filled with players arrested for domestic violence, etc. (We have a couple, I believe.)

  7.  Samardzija says:

    Brah, way to long post. Tbh I skipped most of it. Buuut. See who he compares to. Kris Jenkins. A run stopper in a 3-4.
    You also mention thge Vikings. Who is Kevin Williams in that scenario? Cofield? Because thats cool, but it doesnt look like we are going to keep him long term. Which was exactly my point. You end up with 3 primarily run stuffing DTs that arent passrushing threats in Canty, Joseph and Taylor.

    I like Taylor as a prospect, I really do. But hes too much like what we already drafted in Linval Joseph in the 2nd round last year and his value is the most to a 3-4 team. Which wont be us.

    • Robert Hodgesrlhjr says:

      Your points too are well taken Sam. But I maintain the kid will/would solve the issue that virtually everyone posting here over the last three season has bemoned……..pressure up the gut, physical play, and iceing the run.

      I’ve not seen that from any of the DT’s on the squad to date. And the “learning curve” is very short when you’re THAT big and strong.

      I wish you would take a minute to read the post. But I’m done.
      Still have mad respect for your take.

  8. Robert Hodgesrlhjr says:

    We could of course select a chior boy to play defensive tackle in the NFL. LOL.

  9.  Samardzija says:

    rlhjr, just to be clear man, I didnt read your post because Im hungover like a mother# and reading to much makes me nauseous. Ill read it tomorrow..

    • Matthew Kiernankujo says:

      Lol! I remember when Saturday and Sunday mornings were KD’s time to tell us how hungover he was. Those were the days.

  10.  Krow says:

    DT is a pretty high ‘#1 bust’ pick by the way. Statistically. Not as high as QB, but it’s far from a safe selection.

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