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The Great Eli Debate

March 9th, 2010 at 9:03 AM
By SimonGC

Sorry to step away from the exciting backup quarterback and kickoff specialist news cycle, but something made me want to bring up another round of the never ending Eli Manning debate.

I was talking with a friend of mine about the Giants this past weekend, and we started on the topic of increasing Eli’s role in designing and implementing game plans. Basically, we both thought Eli Manning should call the shots on game day, especially as long as Kevin Gilbride is the other option.

Then, with a smirk that indicated he expected to get a reaction out of me, he said: “you know, my dad still hates Eli Manning. Can’t stomach watching the guy play.”

Really? Are we still having this conversation?

It surprised (angered?) me because I think after last season (and his 9 of 14/152 yd/2 TD Super Bowl XLII performance) we would be past this. Last year, with uncharacteristically poor offensive line play and a sometimes non-existent running game, he threw for 4,000 yards and 27 TD’s.

Sure, with no running game and a defense putting you in early holes on a weekly basis he had to.

But that’s exactly the point: he stepped up when he had to, took the reins and produced better than he ever has. Not many quarterbacks can do that at the NFL level.

Sure, he’s not as accurate as Peyton. He’s not charismatic like Brady, and he doesn’t exude confidence and passion like Brett Favre.

But don’t let that fool you into thinking that Eli is not the picture of a rock solid steady leader, on and off the field. But you don’t need to hear it from me, you’ve all seen him step into throws when he saw the hit coming. And you’ve all seen him, week after week, year after year, play his best damn football in the fourth quarter of games.

I won’t belabor you with stats, comparisons or any other pseudo-sophisticated analysis. What I will say is this:

Whatever it takes to be a “franchise” quarterback in the NFL, that “it” factor, Eli Manning has it. At any given time, there’s only 5 or 7 guys in the NFL playing to that level, and you know when you have Eli Manning that you’re always going to have one of those guys.

Even if he is perennially on the outer fringe of that top group…he’s in that group, and quarterbacks who play to that level year-in and year-out are indispensable. After all, 7 QB’s, 32 teams…you do the math.

You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, and you certainly don’t complain about Mark Texiera because he’s not Albert Pujols.

Eli Manning may never be Peyton or Brady or Brees, but as far as quarterbacks go the Giants could be doing a whole hell of a lot worse. You know, like maybe if their quarterback was wrapped up in multiple sexual assault cases

81 Responses to “The Great Eli Debate”

  1. Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

    Yeah I’ve heard so many call Eli a bum and talk about how he’s so overpaid. He’s clearly a top 10 QB in the NFL. I always wanted us to take Big Ben instead of that ridiculous trade for Eli but we clearly got the high character guy.

  2. Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

    Who wrote this article? Seems Simon’s style…. Well, either way….GOOD JOB!

  3. Grateful Giants Grateful Giants says:

    There is not many other QBs I would take over Eli in NYC. Do you think Rothlisburger could last a week in NYC…yeah maybe but he cant even stay out of trouble in East Jesus PA, let alone come to the middle of the world. Rivers…hes a bitch, hes that guy that wants to get Brady’s calls, but since he’s not Tom Brady, doesn’t, and complains all day long.

    I think i would take Palmer, and def Peyton, but IDK how either would fair in NY. this is real life, Sanchez has a big mouth, adn I know it will catch up to him.

    Eli is the Derrick Jeter of the NY giants, I dont care who he impresses, he impressed the Sh!t out of me each time he thorw that Blue on. I am happy to have eli, he doesnt want the attentino, he just wants to win. Doesnt care abou tmaking money, he just does, and he doesnt want to be the center of attention, something that the QB of the giants almost should be looking for. Eli is a consumate professional, and is a perfect Role model for the next generation of football heads!

    • Grateful Giants Grateful Giants says:

      Sorry for the grammatical errors, I can not speak/type today.

      • Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

        I’d take Brees, Eli’s big bro and Brady but thats it.

        And not to correct you but Ben got in trouble in rural GA. So no, he’d be a disaster in NY. I can finally stop regretting that trade. Now I’m honestly glad we have Eli. Rivers is a jerk. Big Ben can’t keep Lil Ben in his pants. Eli is grounded and improving every year. Still way too big of a price for the trade but its justified with the SB42 ring. Glad we have him.

        • Grateful Giants Grateful Giants says:

          yeah id take brees and brady too, i thought that they were ovbious, but I think that is why eli is the 5th best in the league… i know others will argue, but Peyton, Brady, Brees, (maybe plamer, maybe farve to some), but there are not any more that I would start over Eli. God could you imagine having Mcbad, Tony Ohno, or Jason Cantballl, we definitely have the class of the NFC East!

          And no sh!t he got caught in GA, and in Tahoe, I meant that he cant eevn stay out of trouble in Pitsburgh, Blue collar america, can you imagine what hed do in the middle of the world??? Where there is a bar on every corner, and everything in the world i sat your fingertips??? Well my man eli can comb through this city, and not worry about getting in trouble, why? because he is one happy NEW YORK GIANT!

          ***Little Ben**hahahaha

  4. Dirt Dirt says:

    I have to disagree with the assertion that Eli should call the shots. He would be less likely to call shotgun draws and would probably introduce himself to a young prospect named Kevin Boss. And we all know how detrimental this could all be.

  5. fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

    Simon, I take it you wrote this in order to attract back a few of the posters who have gone missing who just might be tempted to return in order to cite statistics and other data that proves that Eli Manning is, in fact, a bum.

    I cannot imagine why else you would spend your valuable time writing a solid piece that makes a case that many people just won’t accept. Eli Manning is to NFL quarterbacks what Harry Truman was to the Presidency. He doesn’t always look the part. He has a bit of an “Aw shucks” air about him. He doesn’t present himself in a way that satisfies the “experts” who know what a fellow filling that role should be. But then you look up and the results are outstanding. Eli isn’t his brother, just as Truman wasn’t Roosevelt (Franklin or Teddy). But he’s someone we should be very happy plays for the Giants.

  6. tman540 tman540 says:

    Eli is the Man, no pun intended. Hes worth every penny they paid for him, and outside of the other Manning or Drew Brees, I honestly wouldn’t take any other QB. Eli, Smith, Nicks, Manningham and Boss will be a high octane for YEARS to come if we can straighten out this o-line. The future is bright!

  7. tman540 tman540 says:

    errr, they will be a high octane offense*

  8. Doc Doc says:

    Big Ben’s a doosh!! Being a bike rider, I thought his near-death crash rose a red flag that said this guy’s an idiot. Serves Pittsburgh right!

  9. jfunk jfunk says:

    Can’t agree enough. So sick of people complaining about Eli.

    The bottom line is, regardless of whether or not you think “X” number of guys are better than him, he is good enough to be better than anybody that is ever AVAILABLE.

    You don’t let QBs who are capable of winning championships go. It may be another decade or more before you find another one. Other teams know this too, which is why you won’t see any free agents on the lists people produce of QBs they think are better than Eli.

    It doesn’t matter who is better than Eli. All that matters is Eli is the best QB that the Giants CAN HAVE and he is good enough to win with, so we have to try to win as much as possible while we have him.

    • Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

      Well said.

    • Bballbkd1001 Bballbkd1001 says:

      “You don’t let QBs who are capable of winning championships go. It may be another decade or more before you find another one.”

      exact philosophy to drafting woodson and bomar! If one pans out to be a starting quarterback, we can easily get a first for him. Same way that the patriots did with cassell and what the eagles could do with kolb.

  10. Bballbkd1001 Bballbkd1001 says:

    Did you guys see that Big Ben is in the news again for raping another girl? I don’t believe he did but that’s still the second alleged victim in a year.

    I also cannot see Ben playing past 33 years old with all the hits he tales every game. As compared to Eli, he’s not the most mobile quarterback but he knows how to get rid of the ball before taking a shot. I can definately see Eli throwing for us when he’s 37 years old and becomes the next Kurt Warner/Brett favre (excluding the retiring, unretiring debate).

    • Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

      Yea dude in GA. I didn’t believe it the first time. Now….well dude shouldn’t put himself in that situation. Fool me once sham on you. Fool me twice shame on me. SInce its March 9th I’ll quote Biggie, he’s a bad, bad man…

  11. Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

    On the kicker front I still think we should have taken Justin Medlock out of UCLA when he came out a year or two ago. He’s got a power lefty leg and was a huge factor at UCLA. …..I think I heard the Redskins signed him though, figures…

    • Bballbkd1001 Bballbkd1001 says:

      Hopefully that means Giants101 HOFer Graham Gano become a free agent. I loved the kid after his bowl game his senior year and he put his first 3 punts inside the 5 yard line. Plus he can kick and punt.

  12. ROC ROC says:

    Remember,

    Super Bowls:

    Big Ben = 2
    Eli = 1

    Sexual Assualts:

    Big Ben = 2
    Eli =0

  13. alex alex says:

    People nned to stop judging him so quikly. What you can say about eli is that every year he has gotten better and every year he started he has taken us to the playoffs except for last year. Qbz don’t be come elite until atleast 30. Eli will be. 29 this year and will have an even better year that last. He is arguably top 3 but def top 5

    • Grateful Giants Grateful Giants says:

      Agreed

    • Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

      IDk about that my man. He’s top 10 but top 5 is majorly debatable. Brady, P. Manning, Brees are shoe ins in front of him, thats 3. Rivers, though a jerk, is known by everyone as a better QB and his numbers dont lie. Palmer is better without a doubt but he’s hurt so I guess you can argue that but he’s better just is. I mean, I guess Eli is closer to a top 5 than I actually thought but thats 5 right there without much thought put into it. If health isn’t a factor Eli can’t track that list. Thats leaving old Favre out and knowing Warner retired. The argument for Eli is getting better but IDK if he’s quite there yet. He’s on his way though.

      • Grateful Giants Grateful Giants says:

        Thats the thing that makes me mad about the eli argument, ppl say hes not a top 5, but you cant give me 5 better qbs…you can give me possibilities, and if injuries, and actual stats…

        But Wins, and games played are more important to me than anyhting that Rivers can cry about, Rothlesburger, can get lucky (cause everyone knows he was the worst player on the field for his two SB appearences)

        Oh and Rivers plays againts the freaking Raiders and chiefs for 4 games each year, and heck throw the broncos int here, that is one disgusting division, that they should get 6 wins in each year.

        Id put farve only because of his success, and not his age as a detrimental factor. Hes still good, and i would put him as the 4th best… again, palmer can be argued for, but he hasnt won anything, and althoguh thats not necessarily his fault, but they do get to play the Browns twice a year… we dont get 2 weeks off a year.

        I jsut dont see how anyone is better in the top 5 than eli… no one

        If someone can give me one, I will retractmy statement, but I dont think there is

  14. Lawrence56TaylorFan Lawrence56TaylorFan says:

    Sounds like the Pats are in on him but I was hoping JR signed the former Rams TE Daniel Fells. He’s like Hedgecock but as a TE. He would have been a nice addition for us. Oh well.

    Bballbkd1001-Yeah I was all for getting Gano when he came out but IDK why he hasn’t stuck anywhere. Maybe he’s not as good as we all thought….

  15. Krow_Working Krow_Working says:

    QBs suffer from what we used to call “highlight syndrome”. Briefly stated it means we only see the highlights of other teams QBs… throwing TDs… running for scores… arms in the air. We don’t see the bad or boring parts of their game… like we do Eli.

    The other problem more specific to Eli is that fans suffer from ‘Peyton Envy’. They see ‘Manning’ and they expect him to play like Peyton. Well… there’s only one of those. Nobody plays like Peyton except Peyton. But the other guys aren’t named Manning so no one demands that they do.

    Eli is a solid top-5, top-10 QB. If we had that at every position we’d win the Superbowl all the time.

    • Simon Garron-Caine SimonGC says:

      The Peyton envy needs to start to dissipating.

      Peyton is the better QB…more accurate and all. But Eli is tougher.

      And at the end of the day…Eli plays his best football when it matters most. I don’t think you’ll find anyone to say that about Peyton

    • jfunk jfunk says:

      To be fair, I think this same issue colors ALL of the analysis we do as fans.

      Every critique is always solely focused on OUR performance, as though the other team has nothing to say about it.

      Every time Jacobs bowls somebody over, it’s because “he’s so awesome”. But every time one of our players gets bowled over it’s because “he’s so weak”.

      There’s never any credit (good or bad) given to the other team’s impact on that. Every good offensive play the other team makes is blamed solely on our terrible defense, while every good play our own offense makes is because we’re so great.

      I know it’s not a 100% thing, especially with the consistent naysayers, but in general, you tend to see MOST of the credit/blame put squarely on the home team in any fan analysis.

      Nobody EVER admits that sometimes Gilbride calls a decent play, but somebody on the other team make a GREAT play to break it up…it’s always a bad call by Gilbride, or a poor throw by Eli, etc. Same on defense. Any big play is always a poor alignment or a missed tackle…it’s never “wow, Westbrook made a great move there”.

  16. Simon Garron-Caine SimonGC says:

    Krow– Is your Avatar Charlie Manson?

    • Krow_Working Krow_Working says:

      Yes… Charlie brings the right attitude that I feel is missing from our defense. I think a late draft pick is in order… if he gets parole of course. Naturally there are some rough edges… the
      whole serial killer thing for instance. And I don’t know his 40 time. But he’d definitely add leadership… and ‘killer instinct’. He’ll come cheap too.. but I don’t see him as an ‘every down’ player.

  17. TroyThorne TroyThorne says:

    Carson Palmer is NOT better than Eli. Palmer hasn’t been that good for about 3 years now, it’s time to stop living in the past. Just because he was once considered top 3 in the league doesn’t mean he still should be.

    And I know Colts fans that hate Peyton. Conclusion? People are stupid and will always find something to whine about.

  18. arigsbee arigsbee says:

    I LOVE Eli and am glad we got him. I remember on draft day, I called my parents and said that if we got Eli…we were on the way to building a dynasty. After they took him…I called them back and said “man, if we could get one of the receivers from the Steelers for Eli to throw to, pair him with Tiki and Shockey…we’re set” and we went out and got Plax. Bottom line-you can argue until you’re blue in the face that we “over-paid” for him, but the truth is-we didn’t.

    Including that draft, there’s been MAYBE 5 other quality QB’s who you could build a franchise around that have came out: Rivers, Worthlesberger, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan and MAYBE Cutler…although, he looks like he should have kept his mouth shut and stayed in Denver. Of all those, only one has more rings than Eli, and he also has more rape cases. I wouldn’t take ANY of those guys over Eli. In fact, I wouldn’t take ANYONE, including Brady, Peyton and Brees over Eli. Eli is younger than all of those guys, and has his best years ahead of him.

    • wlubake wlubake says:

      I’d build a franchise around Romo. I wouldn’t be happy about it, but he’s that type of guy. Behind Eli, Rivers and Rogers. Ahead of Big Ben (and his naughty little Ben) and ahead of Cutler.

      Romo may have come into the league before Eli, though, if that’s your angle.

  19. GiantBuzz GiantBuzz says:

    As long as we are talking about other Qb’s, I think Flacco could have a huge year. Especially now that they have a real reciever in Quan.

    • ROC ROC says:

      But if Derrick Mason leaves town, do Flacco’s eyes leave with him???

      Since he stared him down all season???

      Bad joke, which I stole…

      My guess is they lock on ‘Quan

  20. fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

    I’m not going to get into the quarterback debates except to say that the best in the NFL now are Peyton, Brees, Brady, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rodgers and Rivers, with Eli and Rodgers and Rivers moving up fast.

    And I’ll say it doesn’t matter a darn where your franchise quarterback ranks among those seven SO LONG AS HE CAN HELP YOU WIN A FEW RINGS!!!!! It seems worth repeating every once in a while. The way to view a quarterback is whether he can be a serious factor in getting a Lombardi Trophy. Among the seven named, neither Rodgers nor Rivers has done that, but they are both capable of it IMO. You can actually question that in Rivers’ case because his team has both been very good and in position to get to the Super Bowl for a number of years and they haven’t made that leap. Just based on that, I don’t care what the statistics are, he ain’t the equal of Eli. Neither is Rodgers, yet. But he’s a guy I think could wind up being really special.

  21. Brandon Brandon says:

    • giantspathanlon Manning to Manning…Peyton’s backup of 6 yrs, Jim Sorgi, now a Giant and will compete with Rhett Bomar for same role behind Eli

  22. wrdag wrdag says:

    I have made this point repeatedly on this blog…Eli gets sub-par pass protection versus the other elite QB’s in the league. Whether its been the historic great pass blocking that Peyton has always gotten to the great pass blocking Brady had until the playoffs of their undefeated regular season. Drew Brees had superb blocking this year allowing them to run an offense of multiple double move routes. This is not just good pass blocking in terms of sacks , I’m talking these guys get pass blocking that allows games where they get ZERO PRESSURE. I might add that Dallas in the majority of Romo games provide the zero pressure blocking which is essential to their success, since Romo panics under minor duress.
    Want examples of this type of protection; one need only look at our 2009 non existent pass rush versus the Boy’s (x2) and the Saints and for fun throw in both Eagles games. On the positive, review the first half of the Oakland game to see what Eli is capable of doing when he has zero pressure. I understand the point that he shouldn’t expect that every game but the facts our other QB’s do get that type of protection ( Brees , Peyton) and they are the ones being used as his measuring stick. The lone exception is Big Ben but its hard to judge since he holds on to the ball for eternity.
    The facts our that Deihl has been a bargain versus the Cap as a left tackle but his pass blocking might just be called adequate. Same goes for our aging right tackle…the result is that Eli has flank pressure on most passing downs and the line as a whole does not pick up the blitz very well. The blitz issues result from the constant flank pressure which forces Eli to step up on most pass plays… thus we see lots of successful up the gut blitzing.
    I’m not making excuses for Eli. He still has some issues with bad footwork and poor spirals. But to be fair, he does not get the protection that Romo or Farve gets on a nearly game to game basis much less the superb blocking that Brees, Brady n Peyton get every game,

    • fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

      And yet he produces, especially when it counts most. Don’t worry about defending Eli. When his career is over he will be recognized as a tremendous QB who won multiple titles.

  23. fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

    Seattle trades Wallace to Cleveland. Looks like they plan to pick a quarterback in Round 1 to study behind Hasselbeck for a year or two, or make a trade (less likely). Think it’s Claussen? Guy may be a bit of a punk, but I actually like him better than Bradford.

    That would be good for the Giants. Two QBs taken (and hopefully at least one WR) in the first 14 picks. Getting a player who ranks somewhere between #7 and #17 on your chart is a great way to start off the draft. That’s what I figure will be there at the #15 pick.

    • FactCheck FactCheck says:

      I admit that I don’t watch too many ND games but I still don’t get what the love affair is with this kid. In the games that I saw, he ran around like a chicken in the pocket even when he had good protection. I’m not saying that he isn’t an NFL QB but I can’t see what he’s done to warrant spending a top 10 or top 15 pick.

  24. FactCheck FactCheck says:

    The issue I still have (and will continue to have) is on Arcosi for giving up the farm to get him. I realize the Elway burn still smarted but he wet his pants about the prospect of trading for him and the Chargers (who probably never really wanted him anyway) took Arcosi to the woodshed. He should have played chicken and held his ground and the price would’ve been less.

    • jfunk jfunk says:

      Couldn’t have happened. The Chargers stood their ground until the Giants had no more room to back pedal.

      They wanted Rivers and the Giants didn’t. If the Giants didn’t blink, they would have had to take Big Ben instead. Then it would have been somebody else (Browns?) that drafted Rivers and made the trade with San Diego.

      There was no other opportunity to get Eli at any price. It was draft Rivers and pay what we did (don’t forget, Accorsi did basically give up that 2005 1st rounder instead of giving up Osi), or settle for Big Ben and be done with it.

      I for one am happy we did so. Many will argue Ben is better (and that might be the case), but Eli IS everything Accorsi said he would be so it’s hard to find fault in his going out and getting him.

      Not to mention you don’t see Eli constantly getting himself in off the field trouble. Eli has ONE internet photo of him bombed out his mind in college (and there is nothing bad other than being drunk at a party going on). Ben has two rape cases, one near death idiot-induced incident, and numerous “party man” photos floating around…he’d have been a side show to end all side shows in the NYC market.

  25. kujonicus kujonicus says:

    FactCheck,

    Interesting theory there. Not sure how you could say that the Chargers didn’t want Eli considering they drafted him. If they didn’t want him, they’d have drafted Rivers instead. Where did you come up with these “facts?”

  26. arigsbee arigsbee says:

    Seriously solid off season thus far. For me, I would love to grab Morrison off of Oakland still to address MLB so we can enter the draft and shore up both of our lines and grab a RB high in the draft.

  27. fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

    Wait…they signed Sorgi? I thought they rejected him because of the tendonitis in his shoulder? I am really glad they did this. I wanted Sorgi all along and think this will prove a very smart deal for the Giants. This is a solution that will last for years. People tend to forget that backup quarterback is a critical position that vastly benefits the team if the right guy is there. And I don’t even mean on the field. He can dramatically help the defense in practice all week by properly imitating the work of the week’s opposing QB. And he can spot things for Eli that even a coach won’t see. He’s also a “compadre” in whom Eli can confide when he has some issues that he doesn’t want to take to the coaches, allowing the backup to quietly make the case and see if there’s receptivity. Sorgi is the right guy (great relationship with ALL the Mannings). Just ask Eli’s brother.

    That’s two great moves in FA. I’d be perfectly happy if it stops here but would still like a kickoff specialist brought in. I still can’t comment intelligently on Morrison because I have never seen him play, but based on what I’ve read, I don’t think he’s going to prove enough of an upgrade to be worth a significant contract. Then again, I like Goff.

  28. shmitty013 shmitty013 says:

    Factcheck – Happy feet is one of the few knocks on Claussen. His O-Line was so bad at ND that he was constantly getting pressured so it was almost as if he expected it to happen on every play; hence his scrambling when he wasn’t getting any. He’s definitely better than Bradford IMO though, because Bradford is #1, injury prone, and #2, he can’t make all the throws because he doesn’t have a strong arm.

    Eli is at least a top 10, possibly top 5 QB in this league. I’d say he’s top 2 in the league with the ball in his hands with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and the game on the line, only behind Brady. I think he’s better than Petyton in that situation, especially after Peyton threw that pick in the Super Bowl. Eli is the 2nd most clutch QB in the league IMO. He’s improved every year he’s been in the league and he’s only going to get better.

    Eli was drafted on the 24th of April in 2004 and believe it or not, the next day, he was at Game 4 of the Knicks playoff game against the Nets at the Garden (they got swept). My friend was in the same booth as him at the game and he said he was the most shy guy he ever met. He asked Eli if he was going to lead us to the Super Bowl and Eli could only mutter a “maybe, but I hope so.” He’s still not much more vocal, but he’s definitely a leader and he sure as hell got as a Super Bowl win. And since we got that win, I don’t care what Accorsi gave up in that trade for him because you can’t put a price on a Super Bowl victory.

  29. Jay from the fix Jay from the fix says:

    Are we still having this discussion? I wouldn’t want any other qb on my giants right now I like the fact that he looks lost and confused and then BAM!!!! Superbowl David Tyree catch or that greenbay game he hit plax 9 times for almost 150 yrds? Let everyone underestimate Eli he will just make them look even dumber. If a giants fan is saying Eli isn’t good or gets overpaid then in the words of legreca YOU’RE A FRAUD!!!!!! Is simms better than Eli? Not to me. I would tAke Eli 10 out of 10 times in that draft and still give up all those draft picks everytime.

  30. KD KD says:

    TERRE HAUTE, IN—Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning interrupted an intrasquad scrimmage Tuesday for approximately 45 minutes in order to show backup quarterback Jim Sorgi how to properly hold his clipboard.

    Manning claimed to have mentioned several previous clipboard-mishandling incidents to Sorgi prior to the on-field confrontation, including times when Sorgi held only the bottom-left corner of the clipboard “as if he didn’t care if he dropped it”; when he caught Sorgi gripping the clipboard with two hands, but loosely and “as if he was just going through the motions”; and when he saw Sorgi standing on the sidelines trying to spin the clipboard on his index finger, an action Manning called disrespectful to both the team and the game of football.

    Manning said he began to suspect that Sorgi had reverted to a careless and lackadaisical state of mind upon seeing Sorgi gripping the clipboard at the top part of its clamping mechanism, which Manning said could have ultimately led to the application of enough pressure to allow the documents held by the clipboard to escape, and possibly even be blown towards the opposing sideline.

    Though Sorgi admitted to violating Manning’s clipboard-holding policy, he said a lack of communication, not a lack of commitment, was really to blame.

    “Sometimes Peyton and I just aren’t always on the same wavelength,” Sorgi told reporters after Manning left the facility. “It gets really confusing. Basically, Peyton likes to give me three different clipboard-holding options during specific game situations, signaling them to me before the snap. At any given time during a game, he could scream at me to change my grip to, say, ten-and-two instead of six-and-four, and naturally, there will be times I don’t hear him completely.”

  31. TroyThorne TroyThorne says:

    Bradford’s arm is way underrated. He can definitely make all the throws, he just doesn’t have a cannon like the Russells, Cutlers, and Favres have. Actually, I’d say that Bradford’s arm is pretty comparable to Eli’s.

    Also, after seeing FF55 suggest Carr was worth a 2nd round pick and calling Jim Sorgi a “terrific player” I’m convinced backup QB is his favorite position in all of sports.

  32. Doc Doc says:

    I would rather see Rhett out there in case Eli goes down over Sorgi, or basically anyone else who is backing up Eli that is a verteran for another team. Why are we drafting QBs if we dont give them a shot??

  33. KD KD says:

    Looks like G101 is F’d up. the home screen is just blue and you can’t comment on the Sorgi posting.

    Am I the only one with this problem?

  34. Dan Benton Dan Benton says:

    It’s working fine for me, guys. Is it still screwing up for you?

  35. fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

    Works for me too…what’s the matter with you guys? You may have to click on the screen to get it to go from blue to white. If I could do that an hour ago you young computer-literates ought to have managed.

  36. Dan Benton Dan Benton says:

    I am actually baffled. I have no idea what’s causing this error for you guys.

    I’ll fire off an e-mail to our tech. guy and see what’s up.

    In the mean time, trying clearing cookies/cache, I guess?

  37. fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

    I figured it out. These guys are using Internet Explorer as their browser. I can’t get the comments section when I go that route. If you use Safari there’s no problem.

    From now on I expect no crap from you young ‘uns and an acknowledgement that some of us older guys can be as tech-savvy as any of you!

  38. Dan Benton Dan Benton says:

    Fixed. It was a MAJOR HTML screw up in Sean’s post.

  39. fanfor55years fanfor55years says:

    Try Firefox or Safari. It’s an IE problem.

    • KD KD says:

      No way. The site should adapt for the browser that 90% of people use. I’m not opening up site specific browsers.

      Besides, if G101 is going to block IE users, then a lot of potential readers will be left out.

  40. Dan Benton Dan Benton says:

    We’re not blocking IE. It was just an HTML error. The screen should be normal now (it corrected on my IE), but I’ll continue to look into it.

  41. Super56 Super56 says:

    Old news is no news, or hasn’t this been posted?

    “The Minnesota Vikings have signed kickoff specialist Rhys Lloyd to a two-year contract.”

    He never made it to NY I guess.

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