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Loading ...According to NFL Network, a deal between the New York Giants and free agent safety Antrel Rolle is “95% done. However, that report could just be a smokescreen sent out by his agent fishing for better offers, but we’ll just have to wait and see.
According to Pro Football Talk, two other teams – the Miami Dolphins and Arizona Cardinals – remain in the hunt for his services.
Considering how cheap the Bidwell’s typically are, you can all but cross Arizona off the list. And if you factor in that Rolle already turned down a $6 million annual contract with them, I’d say it’s safe to assume this is a two team race.
3:20 PM UPDATE – Ralph Vacchiano reports that Rolle is taking a physical for the Giants, but if the Dolphins up their offer in the final moments, the tides could shift dramatically.
5:05 UPDATE – Mike Garafolo reports that in addition to Antoine Bethea and Oshiomogho Atogwe, the Giants are also talking to Darren Sharper as possible backups, should the Antrel Rolle deal not get finalized.
5:30 UPDATE – The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that the Giants and Rolle are “finalizing a deal.”
7:04 UPDATE – Mike Garafolo tweets that Rolle will give Arizona a chance to match the offer Big Blue gives him…however, it remains unlikely that the Cardinals will be able to do so.
Other Notes:
- NFL sources say David Carr to the 49ers is very likely; “it’s the 49ers to lose.”
- Pat Traina hints that the Giants may reach out to Mark Brunell should they lose David Carr.
- Cornerback Aaron Ross and long-time girlfriend Sanya Richards were married on Feb. 26th.
- PFT says free agent linebacker/defensive end Aaron Kampmann will visit the Eagles first. However, Jay Glazer says that information is inaccurate and that Kampmann is taking the weekend to decide his next step.
- Mike Garafolo also reports that the Giants have contacted OJ Atogwe’s agent.
Stay tuned to Giants 101 as we update this situation throughout the day.
I know this will get mixed reviews but i am happy about this and anxious to see what the deal is… The bright side is tht we now have a safety to pair with phillips.. he is an above average safety in the league and i am happy about this
first?
eehhhh!
I like Rolle and hoipe they sign him. Anything to keep CC Brown forever off the field:-)
AMEN, and michael Johnson as well
Michael Johnson is a solid player and a great third safety.
David Carr set to visit 49ers
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/david-carr-set-to-visit-49ers/
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I wonder if Carr could actually win the starting job in SF….
I think JR gets this done for either a backloaded 5 yr $35-$40 or 6 yr $42-$48 million back loaded deal
That would be more palatable. But Rolle’s agent is Rosenscum; I can’t see him biting on a backloaded deal.
Hope I’m wrong and you’re right.
Bleccch…
Id be fine with either deal
As ff55 said, this simply isn’t the “cry for desperation” that you make it seem. Its a way to get a veteran to fill ARGUABLY the teams biggest need knowing that TC probably wont play a rookie at this spot and he likely wouldn’t do much anyway.
getting back to the point, if you sign a veteran, you can then go into the #15 pick in the draft knowing that you can get whomever you please regardless of position.
That has more to do with it than anything.
And norm… Don’t bring up Jerry Jones and the 2009 offseason when citing GOOD moves. They traded away 3 of their first 5 picks for Roy Williams… so they HAD to sign free agents. Not just 1… Several.
Most of whom sucked. The only reason Dallas improved this past season was Miles Austin. They would have been 7-9 or worse without him.
Also… If Rolle isn’t the only option then what are the other options? (besides ff55 and my idea on Wilson which won’t happen or the draft which won’t yield much bcause of TC)
Well Said Kyle
I think most agree here, overpaying a little will be fine since it fills a huge needs with a PLAYMAKER! something we need desperately – Well said sir
Sorry, Kyle.
The Roy Williams deal took place at the ‘08 trade deadline – and it was an Epic Fail.
But as for the offseason, Jerruh had a better one than did Reese. At least insofar as getting the most production in ‘09 for free agent $$ spent goes. While none of them are superstars, it’s inarguable that Olshansky, Brookings and Sensabaugh all played key roles on a resurgent Dallas D.
Hey, I despise the Cowboys and hate to write that. But dem’s da facts, Jack.
Safety is absolutely the biggest need and getting a reliable veteran in Rolle is a smart move. They will address the safety position again during the draft without a doubt. I’m still liking the value of Chad Jones in round two if he is available. TC will not start a rookie, we all know that. This is a good move by Jerry Reese and I doubt he will stop at just one signing. Could DT be next?
Getting Rolle is the smart move and fills the biggest question mark on the roster.
Rolle will start with Phillips, and Michael Johnson is the third safety, whch is not bad at all.
If Phillips’ knee acts up you have Michael Johnson and Rolle instead of Johnson and C.C. Brown.
HUGE UPGRADE.
Now the Giants can draft the BPA at #15 overall. Maybe McClain or Haden falls. Maybe they solidify the O-Line of the future with Ituapi, Bulaga or Anthony Davis…or Trent Williams. Maybe another pass rusher like Griffin, Dunlap, JPP or Morgan.
Solves a major need and allows the GMen to draft the top player on their board at #15. Great signing.
Redskins interested in rex Grossman
Man I havent heard better news in a long time
lol
I think Carr could win the starting job in a number of places. There is a surfeit of lousy QBs in the NFL these days.
Demo,
I was raised in an Irish-Italian Catholic household. My girlfriend is an atheist; my roommate is Islamic. I was the treasurer for the College Republicans and social chair for the College Democrats. I sing in a choir and fornicate regularly.
So yeah, I’m openminded. And I’ve got tough skin. It’s hard to get under my skin. It happens but rarely. When it does, though…KABOOM.
whoa mixing blue and red there
My parents instilled in me and my sisters that plurality and diversity are vital to success and happiness in life.
“HI! BILLY MAYS HERE! YOU DON’T NEED A CABINET FULL OF CLEANERS! IF YOU’RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH HARD WATER BUILD-UP, SOAP SCUM, RING AROUND THE TOILET… THEN YOU NEED KABOOM!”
lol R.I.P. Billy “White Nose” Mays.
LOL! Somehow that all makes perfect sense…Ive got friends that were part of the College republicans and helped get the last one elected a few years back
Getting Rolle will be a welcomed upgrade but I hope we don’t lose David Carr as Eli’s backup QB.
Dear everyone who’s using the “Rolle is a playmaker” line… He had 4 picks last year and 5 another year.. Besides that he’s had 3 in 4 years I believe. Not exactly a beastly playmaker. I would love to get him because he’s an upgrade over what we have but it’s not worth it if we have to pay him more than any other safety in the NFL. If you compare Michael Johnson’s 08 stats with Rolle’s, they are pretty similar.. Except Johnson isn’t making anything close to 8 mil…
He was playing corner for many of the years that he struggled. When they moved him to safety is when his career took off.
Okay, I’m repeating myself, but I’m okay with making the Rolle deal as long as Reese/Ross get a potentially great player with that #46 pick. I have confidence that they will, and so must they, because I still think the play for George Wilson (Kyle had him on his radar long before the rest of us, but I’m just as enamored of him, and I think Fewell is too, as was Kyle…and I still think he can be had) would be a good one.
But “pace norm”, think about how we’ll all feel if we go into the draft with the safety position essentially taken care of, and thinking “Hey, if Kenny Phillips is actually as well-off as he and the doctors claim, then we’re looking at a potentially GREAT secondary in 2010 with he and Rolle playing behind Webster, Ross and Thomas”. Think about the options with the draft? April couldn’t come soon enough.
kujo, LOL!!! Republicans for fiscal responsibility, Democrats for fun. I think you got it about right.
Rolle is a bad move at that price. He’s not worth the money. I hope I eat my words. The only benefit is that it means we don’t have to spend a high draft pick on safety, it can wait until round 4 or later. The downside, does that make this guy the highest paid on our defense? Is he really worth being the highest paid on our D? From a cost-to-production stand point this deal is ugly, we should get an All Pro at that price or someone on the threshold of being an all-pro!
I agree that the price is wrong but we need to make some moves. With Fewell at the helm, perhaps Rolle will be an even better player. He is a young player with a lot of potential. They have to pull the trigger on this one.
again with the “what we should get for that money” argument.
Name somebody.
If there are no players AVAILABLE who you can have for the same money, than any argument about who you would rather have for that money isn’t relevant.
I think fewell can make our entire secondary all pro with one more decent saftey (rolle would fill that roll)
And did you guys watch Arizona’s defense in the playoffs? Their LBs are better than ours, and yet their D got lit up for 80+ points in 2 games… They have DRC and Adrian Wilson back there who are both very good, so who is to blame for all those points? If you put Johnson or Brown in there instead of Rolle, it probably would have been the same outcome, no better-no worse. So while Rolle will be an upgrade, don’t start talking superbowl defense just because we added him to our secondary. He isn’t going to have that type of impact. However, if our pass rush can get back to what it used to be, then Rolle and KP will be a dangerous combo at safety. That’s all, thanks for listening.
norm- Im aware of when The Roy Williams trade took place… and thats why they had no draft picks last year…
Just layin out the facts…
With 2010 being uncapped, couldn’t teams avoid the “having to cut the fat next year” problem and overpay simply by making the 2010 base salary for new guys huge and guaranteed while making the signing bonus relatively normal.
That way, you won’t have to worry about a potential future cap hit…you keep all the big numbers stuck squarely in 2010 by making it all base salary.
has anyone wondered if our CBs will fit this new defensive scheme? Will Webster revert back to his old habits? I remember the days where Webster did not fit Tim Lewis’ scheme, but then again Lewis was a bad DC.
Much as I’d love to stay and complete my assimilation into the G101 hivemind (”We are the Borg; resistance is futile.”) I really need to step away for awhile and tend to the work duties I’ve been neglecting for the past couple of hours.
I’ll return later to learn how and where to score the best ducats to see a resurgent, Rolle-led defense dominate the AFC representative in the Super Bowl.
Just so were on the same page Dallas still didn’t have any draft picks last year.
lol kyle
There could also be a lot of fat trimming towards the end of or after this season. As long as a player is cut before the starting date of the new CBA, the cap implications will be the same as if they were cut today. So why not let the talent play and then cut them later on before they negatively impact the cap…
The best part of this deal to me is that Fewell seems to care about turnovers and interceptions. He tries to make all his players into ball hawks and Rolle’s best attribute is that he is a converted CB so his ball skills are very good for a safety and if he is the guy that Fewell wants then he should be able to make him and a healthy KP into a dangerous combo downfield like Byrd and Wilson were for the Bills last season (13 interceptions combined).
9 by Bryd alone. I agree with you and thats what i have been saying about getting this guy. Its important that we get Fewell tools and allow Reese to do his thing in the draft
Agreed. I do want us to sign Rolle, but I’m not gonna sit here and act like it’s a silver bullet that makes our secondary no longer a concern.
The way I see it, especially with Kenny up in the air a bit, we need TWO new potential starters, so signing Rolle will NOT mean we don’t need to draft one, but it will give us a little more leeway to wait an extra round or two.
And if the deal is made well, we could possibly even cut him in a year without TOO bad of a hit (if there is even a cap) in the event that our X round safety looks good and we want him to start in 2011.
Sorry giantgiantfan and 12dan, but I assume you don’t contend that Rolle isn’t a big upgrade over any of the current Giants’ safeties besides Phillips, do you? Comparing Johnson’s stats with Rolle’s is just not sensible. Individual stats in football are simply not that indicative of talent, especially because in the case of a safety you just don’t know what kinds of defenses were called and who had what responsibility.
So you have three choices: go into 2010 with no upgrade prior to the draft; “buy” Rolle even if you don’t like the price; or come up with another solution that I’m not hearing from either of you.
Just as it makes no sense to “play Madden” with real teams, it also makes no sense to stick your head in the sand and yell “That makes no sense” when you don’t have a better idea. Jerry Reese has to run a football team that intends to compete for the Lombardi Trophy every year that Eli is behind center for the rest of his career. You’re talking about ideal world’s where no one is overpaid and everyone recognizes his true value. General managers in the NFL< or in any other endeavor, do not have the luxury of thinking that way when they have a critical need that must be filled.
And by the way, a healthy Phillips, Rolle (and Johnson and Rashad or a draft pick as depth), Webster, Thomas and Ross is ABSOLUTELY one of the best secondaries in the NFL. Perhaps Rolle would be the weakest member of that fivesome, but if he's your worst then you have a great backfield.
heh heh yeah norm actin like republicans on healthcare
*ducks head and hopes everyone realizes im kidding*
ff55 good point, but should he be the highest paid???
Im very excited about this i think this is a good move.. it gives us an above average safety and pairs him next to a young safety who is full of potential.. we now have two young ballhawk safeties.. Our turnover numbers should increase and in addition to that it lets us focus on our need at linebacker for the draft.. i really hope mcclain is our guy
Top 50 players expected to be on the free-agent market
By Pat Kirwan
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816af0c9&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Giants may call Mark Brunell should they lose David Carr.
I could deal with that.
that guy is way tooo old haha
Just so you realize, If Rolle were signing with Philadelphia the only talk here would be about how we are royally screwed… Not salary
I thought 10 mil a year was excessive for Samuel (and I still do) but yet he somehow manages to pick of Manning just about EVERY time we face Philly (at which point in time I do a massive face-palm).
If a player performs then hes not overpaid its simple. If Fewell feels like he needs some tools in the secondary, then I trust him. EVery secondary hes worked with has been good
Well put Kyle.
I won’t be pissed if we get Rolle, because as I and others have stated…it fills a need with an above-average playmaker, who will come in and contribute immediately. Having said that, I will be a little bummed on the fact that us signing Rolle takes us out of the running for Taylor Mays, who despite what many are claiming as the second coming of Roy Williams…I think will be a stud, and paired with KP could be one of the best safety tandems in Giants history. I just have this gut feeling that we won’t take him…Philly will…and our receivers going over the middle will pay for it for the next decade.
pete carroll is drafting Taylor Mays dude book it lol.
yep- Ive said 2-3 times that I would be shocked if he got passes Carrols 2 first rd picks. Safety is a big need for them
And before everyone starts in again on the “Rolle’s cost will make the rest of the defense angry” let me say that I generally hate bringing in anyone who damages the salary structure of the team, especially one as young and talented as the Giants, BUT, you have to remember that sometimes bringing in someone can help everyone make more money down the road.
You think a secondary of Webster, Ross, Thomas, Rolle and Phillips in passing situations (even if Rolle turns out to be the worst of the five) wouldn’t force QBs to hold the ball that fraction of a second during which Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Canty, Sintim, etc. would increase their sack and hit totals? You think having those guys out on the field wouldn’t help Boley, Goff and Kehl look better in coverage because they know they have excellent help deep? You think players reaching free agency who have multiple rings don’t get paid better than those who haven’t won a championship?
So while I’m not shouting from the rooftops about getting Rolle, keep in mind that he could have a multiplier effect on the team, he fits fewell’s philosophy of turnover-oriented defense because he’s a converted cornerback, he could help his teammates get paid, and that in any case he would represent both an insurance policy for the team if Phillips can’t get back quickly and freedom for Reese/Ross to do their thing at the draft.
The Giants have to make a serious run at him.
also, it should be noted that the market dictates these players prices, not the players themselves…they are just aware of what they are worth to their potential employers.
every year it will be like “oh man i cant believe so and so is get X number of dollars!” because the contracts are only going one way so we may as well recognize it. canty became our highest paid defender as soon as he signed and the locker didnt explode even though he hardly played at all last season
FF55- You didn’t read my last comment, did you? I think bringing in Rolle is great because his tools seem to make him the protypical safety for a Perry Fewell defense. However, making him the highest paid safety in the league is a little too much IMO. He’s not as great as many here are making him out to be and that’s all I’m trying to tell everyone. Somebody’s got to even the field here so that’s what I’m trying to do. The stat argument wasn’t to show MJ is on Rolle’s level, I was just trying to show some of the uneducated (not you) that Rolle hasn’t had a pro bowl career and won’t completely change the face of our defense all alone.
Either way, our back LBs and safeties last season were really Johnson, CC, Clark, Pierce, and whoever played when Boley was injured. I’ll take KP, Rolle, Sintim, Weatherspoon, Boley over those guys any day of the week. Hopefully that is our LB/S core next season (:
Ralph: “Rolle Still Pondering Options”
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/03/rolle-still-pondering-options.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fgiants+%28Blogs%2FThe+Blue+Screen%29“
Kyle, good post. And you’re right. If Rolle was going to the Eagles there would be absolute panic around here.
My last point. If you don’t think Rolle can be a playmaker and a guy who creates turnovers, go back and look at his late interception that saved the Cards in Giants Stadium this season. It is rare that a safety beats Steve Smith to a spot. It is very rare that Smith doesn’t come up with a contested ball. People screamed at Eli about that interception but in fact he made a pretty good pass and probably assumed Rolle would be in inside coverage. Rolle anticipated that pass extremely well, made a great break on the route, and then physically beat Smith on a game-winning play. I’ll bet Perry Fewell has watched that tape a number of times while deciding if he wanted Rolle, and he probably liked what he saw.
And the fact that Rolle averages 30 yards per INT return and has at least 5 tds that I have seen plus 1 on a blocked FG
Okay, so is the consensus that it pisses us off that Rolle could get paid so much, but we have to have a veteran safety so Reese should hold his breathe and get the guy even if none of us think he has Pro Bowl written all over him?
Remember, except through the draft, and even then sometimes, the deals you make are rarely made without some pain and indecision. If it were easy we could all be GMs (off course we all think we should be, but reality bites).
I disagree
but the real issue is failing to fire Coughlin and Crew
awful coaching trickles down to a host of other bad decisions
so we have to overpay for a medicre player because TC is a moron who won’t play young talent and what?
we have to win this year or never?
Rolle is a bad move. Yeah he is an upgrade, a big upgrade, over what we have, but only because what we have (other than KP) is real garbage. Rolle is an average player made to look good (most of the time unless you count the playoffs) because he is paired with Adrian Wilson.
Signing Rolle is the poster child for everything wrong with free agency.
The Giants need a safety.
The “best” one on the market is Rolle.
But he’s only average.
But he’s represented by the best (worst) agent in the business.
So the Giants will overpay dramatically — the guy shouldn’t even make 4M?yr, let alone 8M
now the poison pill is swallowed for next year!!
Bad move; stupid move; Reese is regressing as a GM.
Rolle is playmaker and they cost money. When was the last time the GIANTS had a playmaker in their secondary? Phillips (if healthy) is a play maker, but that is a big if.
Chester Taylor reaches agreement with Bears on a four-year, $12.5 million deal that includes $7 million gtd in year one.
Good job by the Bears.. If they grab Peppers then that will be big for them.. Now they just need another WR for Cutler.
Taylor would have been a much better move for the GMen than Rolle
does that take them out of the Peppers Sweepstakes?
Is it Philly or Washington now?
Adam Schein: Its down to AZ and NYG for Rolle.
Mike Garfolo: Giants did contact OJ Atogwe’s agent but are focused on Rolle right now.
I’m pulling for Arizona!!
Chester Taylor signs with Bears. 4 yeas 12.5 mil
7 mil guaranteed in year 1
Jim, as the guy who for years has been the most conservative about free agency I think I should have some credibility in this regard. Looked at in toto (team needs on the field, PSL and season ticket prices, a coach’s propensity to refuse to play rookies, the questions surrounding KP, the movement toward a greater percentage of pass plays around the league, etc.) I think this is one of those rare occasions when you have to look at this differently.
But to each his own…..
Its all Coughlin’s fault
Why Reese and Mara and Tisch don’t see that is depressing
So sign Rolle for $100,000,000 or whatever stupid fraction
he’s an AVERAGE player
AVERAGE
i WOULD ADD TO, IF SHERIDAN REALLY WAS THE PROBLEM LAST YEAR, AND IF FEWEL IS REALLY A BIG UPGRADE, THEN MAYBE WE DON’T HAVE TO PANIC AND OVERPAY FOR AN AVERAGE (DID I SAY AVERAGE?) PLAYER BECAUSE WE “THINK” OUR SECONDARY SUCKS.
Show me one average player that plays like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5V8gkrJBs8
LOL_ Kyle is on fire today..Love it…
At this point im pretty sure TC has enough on Stoll to sue him for defamation of character
Kyle
Truth is an absolute defense
Ha!!! Well, I’ve made it clear for a few years that I want Atogwe, and I’m glad his agent was contacted, but it would be wise of Reese to do so while negotiating with Rolle. They’re probably not at a true $8MM per annum so Rosenhaus has gone back to the Cards to see if they wanted to up their $6MM offer while the Giants want Rosenhaus to be aware that they think they have options.
Atogwe is a better player than Rolle, but prying him away from the Rams would not be simple unless they really don’t think they can keep Osi. Atogwe for Osi straight up is probably a deal that would happen. I’d rather pay up for Rolle and keep Osi unless he has really made it clear he will be impossible to work with, which I tend to doubt.
Very well played by Mr. Reese… This is like a chess match between him and Rosenhaus lol.
Agree with FF55. Atogwe is a better solution than Rolle…but to give up Osi for him, isn’t worth it to me…especially when we can get Rolle by ponying up cash, no picks, no nothing. I’d still rather have Mays, but Rolle IS a playmaker.
Kyle – Do you REALLY see Seattle taking Mays with one of their first rounders?
Hell yeah hes in love with the guy
I do and have been saying so for weeks. They have 2 picks in the top 15 and have a glaring need at safety. also who knows TM’s abilities better then the guy who coached him the last 4 years? Actually if he passes on him that would be a red flag for me
Why is everyone so hyped over Mays?? HES GOING TO BE A BUST!!! :]
KP and Rolle are going to be nasty!!!!
ff55y:
I think you’re right. The Atogwe news was just to help them with the Rolle negotiations. Just like this recent story that popped up about the Dolphins not being out of it, which I’m sure came from Rosenhaus.
Bears sign Peppers…
really?
really, just heard on Sirius…
Jim- Or maybe we could just be giving Fewell the tools to succeed? Every secondary hes coached has been good… IDK just a thought. Just throwin that out there…
ok
last time for me
Rolle is only an average player
that’s my beef
8M/yr for an average player
better than MJ? yes
but 8M?
smells like panic
In addition to Terrell Thomas, Danny Ware just agreed to an interview with Giants 101 as well.
Nice! making shit happen Benton..I like it..
Excellent!
(And by the way, his close personal friends now call him “DJ”)
:-)
Very nice Dan! Twitter coming through!
Yeah I agree that was a solid move by Reese to contact Atogwe’s agent to give himself backup in all this.
Peppers new deal in Chi- Town will pay 40 million in first 3 years
I’m WAY more on Jim’s side when it comes to Coughlin. I think he is a good coach, but nothing special, and the team has had many opportunities to get someone special.
There are many coaches in the NFL who would love to have Coughlin’s record and results, but I think it’s impossible to deny that he has never really found a way to get the most out of the talent on this team. He is weak at hiring coordinators and position coaches (loyalty over competence), he doesn’t properly prepare his non-starters for later duty as injuries inevitably pile up, he makes some very strange personnel decisions and he is neither a great game-planner nor one who seems capable of in-game adjustments. He has done a great job of keeping the team together through thick and thin, and staying focused on the all-for-one-one-for-all approach that is necessary to winning in the NFL, but he may be close to reaching the point at which the players top listening.
He needs a great season in 2010 or his schtick will get very old. I’d like to see him gone, but I’d rather they win another ring and we’re stuck with the guy for a few more years.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/report-peppers-taking-physical-deal-is-imminent/
Brett Favre Just retired…
Kyle, joke or for real? Source?
Come on wlubake.. Has he ever retired for real? lol
LOL!
Some reports are saying a Rolle to NY deal is “imminent”
LOL I was KIDDING
I’m not happy until Schefter or Garafolo reports that it is done.
Funny Twitter exchange:
Mike G:
A dangerous move: a mid-afternoon shower. You know Rolle news is gonna hit now.
Tom Rock:
At least you don’t waste time with shampoo!
Sorry, just signed onto the page for the first time today and that was the most recent comment.
Kyle – Don’t the Seahawks have a shot at Berry though? Do you think they’d take Mays over him? I mean, I will be happy with Rolle…I just don’t want Mays in the NFC East.
On to who’s going to be our back up QB. FF55 has been saying it the past couple of years – Carr could start elsewhere. San Fran might actually be a good fit for him. Who do we bring in? I saw the Brunell thing earlier, and I really hope that was a joke. If the Phins keep Pennington, what about going after Thigpen? Or what are realistic options out there?
Berry might be off the board by Seattles first pick, and honestly Carroll knowing that he can draft Mays at 14 will pass on Berry at 6 if hes there. I just know Carroll will do this
Fair enough. Keep Rolle’n:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYnFIRc0k6E
haha wow…limp bizkit
wow…
Bring back the Hefty Lefty!
J- Load
Round mound of touchdown
Pillsbury Throw-Boy
He was doing rather well for the Kentucky Horsemen last I checked.
Why not sign Shaun Hill if San Fran cuts him for Carr?
Kyle hit the nail on the head…if Carroll does pass on Mays I would be very concerned about taking him. In fact, I wouldn’t.
But I see no way Carroll doesn’t take him. He’s in a perfect position. He can pass on him with his first pick, making everyone worried that he knows something they don’t and thereby keeping them away from the guy, and then take him with the #14 pick. Seattle desperately needs help at safety so Carroll will wind up with Berry or Mays. It would be a bad bet to assume it isn’t Mays.
that was me, not Kyle…
FF55 and Kyle – Fair enough. Just wanted some input on the Berry situation. Like I said, as long as he doesn’t wind up in Philly or Dallas…I’m cool.
wlubake, not at all a bad idea. But I suspect Hill would be in demand by a number of teams. Getting a good backup QB is one of those things that every good team must have but fans tend not to worry about. They should.
Reese drafted Bomar with the expectation that he could be the backup in a few years, but he’s undoubtably not ready yet. This will be an important need for the Giants. We were very lucky to have Carr for two years. It would be a miracle if we get him back this time around.
Adam_Schefter
If Seattle signs Brandon Marshall to the offer sheet, Broncos would have seven days to match — or get back the draft’s sixth overall pick.
Per Adam Schefter’s Twitter, Seattle looking to make a move for Marshall.
Colts are going to release Jim Sorgi.
Inside_Football
Hmm, maybe an option if Carr leaves? RT @brian_mcintyre: #Colts to release QB Jim Sorgi http://bit.ly/dw3rvV #NFL
Per Pat Traina’s Twitter, the Colts plan to release Sorgi. I would target him if Carr leaves. He’s learned under Payton, and seemed okay from what I’ve seen.
Whoa.
Filed to ESPN: Seattle is strongly considering signing Broncos restricted free-agent WR Brandon Marshall. A huge move.
If Seattle signs Brandon Marshall to the offer sheet, Broncos would have seven days to match — or get back the draft’s sixth overall pick.
I wanted Sorgi last year if Carr left. Still do. He would be a GREAT signing.
Well now, Seattle not having the #6 pick changes things a bit
Shefter:
Oh boy — Brandon Marshall expected to be in Seattle on Saturday to visit the Seahawks and see if they can hammer out an offer sheet.
seattle probably wont be giving up the # 6 pick..they will work something else out..also any other update on OJ?
This.
Just because a guy got tendered doesn’t mean a team has to pay that. They can still work out any old trade they want instead.
Man, that shift at work killed me! No reception in my meat cooler. Hard to justify washing my hands of blood and filth every 5 minutes for updates, too.
Anyway, I’ll believe this when it happens. I’ve heard the “95% done” things before. It’s just as likely that Rolle walks out without a deal as he is to have this done today.
We’ll see.
Bad news for the GMen: The Seahawks are about to sign Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet. If this happens, Denver has 7 days to match. They won’t.
Seattle will then surrender their first rounder (#6) to Denver in exchange for Marshall.
That means the Broncos would have the Seahawks pick (#6) and Chicago’s (#11) and Seattle would still have Denver’s pick (#14)
Assume Denver will draft 3-4 defenders with at least one of those picks. Dan Williams and Rolando McClain would really solve a lot of their defensive holes. Dez Bryant is an option too.
It just makes the odds of Rolando McClain slipping to the GMen a little worse.
Smart comment.
Not really…They would have to draft Bryant with one of those 2 picks to replace Marshall. The odds are that it would e the 13th pck and 6 is a little high for Mcclain. They would probably take a LT at 6 to replace Walter Jones
Man, that’s a lot of frigin’ picks!
Gotta figure they take Dez Bryant at one of those picks. Can’t be throwning to Royal and Scheffler and Stokley forever. They’ll probably go after McClain (as originally expected) and a NT, though I still wouldn’t be surprised if they targeted a quarterback. Beardneck ain’t gonna get it done.
Denver needs the picks to retool that terrible defense. Well it was terrible except for Thanksgiving when the Giants made them look like the ‘85 Bears or the ‘01 Ravens
Doesn’t Denver have to think about getting a receiver at some point? Dez Bryant?
GMTA…
I’d be all for signing Sorgi if Carr leaves.
Seattle giving up the 6th for Marshall makes things more interesting in terms of them targeting Mays.
Filed to ESPN: Bears will announce it when they’re ready, but the Julius Peppers deal is agreed to. He is a Bear.
From Schefter Twitter. Whew, Peppers not going to Philly.
Yeah If they give up BM they are gonna need a wideout
You don’t think Royal, Gaffney and Stokely can hold down the fort? Even with Orton chucking them the ball?
Adam_Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Bears will announce it when they’re ready, but the Julius Peppers deal is agreed to. He is a Bear.
Per Adam Schefter’s Twitter, the deal is done.
ROC, if they let Marshall go they’ll almost certainly want Bryant with one of those picks. And since they were picking ahead of us anyway, and we won’t be interested in Bryant, I don’t think the Denver side of the deal affects the Giants much at all.
Now, Seattle with only the #14 pick puts Mays back into play and complicates that situation.
But in the end, I don’t think this deal would have much relevance to the Giants.
I agree.
I mean McClain ditched the workouts at the combine. Once he runs, who knows if we will even want him on the Giants. A lot of scouts think he cannot play in space and is much better suited for the 3-4.
I think he would be GREAT though. It would be nice to have a 21 year old stud middle linebacker of the future on an organization who has based its identity around linebackers.
Thank Christ he’s not going to Philly.
Now we either gotta scoop up Kampman or hope he lands in NE or elsewhere.
Couple of thoughts after reading the comments:
- Rolle is above average. Nothing less nothing more. I don’t think he’s worth the 8 mil he’s asking for but I guess the uncapped year makes it a bit easier to swallow. I think he’s a perfect fit for Fewell though so that provides some hope I guess.
- Chester Taylor would be a better signing than Rolle? No. We have enough RBs and they can easily be had late in the draft (after we pick our usual 6th round QB of course).
- Whoever keeps throwing around the “MJ and Rolle had similar stats in 08″ should stop. That was Rolle’s first year as a safety. I know everyone here believes taking a guy and moving him to a brand new position is a seamless transition but it’s actually quite difficult. He got better in 09 and the fact he had similar stats to MJ in his first year at safety says a lot about both of them.
Wow, was I behind the curve on that last comment or what? Never mind.
Peppers a Bear
Good news we wont have to see peppers twice a year
Oh and as for the “Mays is a lock to Seattle” talk, that’s just not true. The Seahawks are a bad team with a lot of holes to fill including positions that may be deemed more important than safety (like OL for instance). Hell, they could take a QB if one of the “big two” fall. Actually, Bradford would be a pretty good fit for them now that I think about it. Not that I think he’ll fall that far, I’m just thinking out loud.
TroyThorne, I agree with everything you said, except the backup QB in round 6. Reese’s secret plan is to wait until Round 7 this time around.
Lots of talk about Rolle (obviously). But any news about the other possibilities?
Every legitimate pieces we’re hearing is being added to the bottom of the above article.
Not much brewing, sadly.
ROC – Did you get my e-mail, man?
Thanks, Dan. Hadn’t noticed that.
Dan –
I got the email on my phone. Its a P.O.S. Verizon though and I hate responding to emails on it (I need a crackberry).
Anyway gmail is blocked @ the office. I’ll get back to you over the weekend.
TT, if Mays is what Carroll has publically stated he is, then he has to select him. But of course that may have only been pumping a guy who played hard for him for four years and came back for his senior year when he didn’t have to do so.
Adam_Schefter
RT @realpatriots: The Patriots have signed LB Tully Banta-Cain to a 3-yr contract
BTW, what’s the over-under on Ross pulling a hammy walking his bride back up the aisle after the ceremony? You gotta take the under
He’ll have already pulled his hammy putting his pants on.
The aisle incident will be his second hammy of the day, although it will be unrelated to the first and less severe.
LOL
Later that night, he’ll slightly tweak the first hammy again (but it in a different spot), while taking his pants off and his wife will have to consider declaring him Physically Unable to Perform.
LOL. But then he will insist, find himself unable to extricate himself from a difficult situation when he tries to shift positions, and wind up on the IR list for the remainder of this season.
His new wife will say “no problem. Isn’t Tiger Woods #2 on the depth chart?”
giantswfan
NFL source says 1st and 3rd tender pretty much eliminated #nyg from being in market for HOU MLB DeMeco Ryans
Hey, on a completely different topic, let me be the first to suggest that Reese will draft or sign a fullback who can actually catch the ball out of the backfield, and let Hedgecock know that his job is far from secure. I like Hedgecock, and know that he was hurt all last year, which explains his lack of effectiveness (and a BIG part of why the run game was poor). I love his crazed attitude and his desire to hurt people. But he has to start catching the ball or he severely reduces what they can do with the playbook and how much they can spread the defense.
There needs to be serious competition for that job this year. No one seems to be paying attention to the need, but it’s there.
TheBlueScreen I’ve heard Antrel Rolle is taking a physical for the #NYG, which usually is precursor to deal (assuming he’s healthy). But …
TheBlueScreen … same source warned that Dolphins, Cards aren’t out of it. If Dolphins increase their offer, they could end up as favorites. #nyg
Rolle is taking a physical for the Giants..
According to Ralph V. Rolle is taking a physical
Hey-o little late on that lol
Physical=Done deal. What number does everyone think Rolle’s gonna rock?
FF55, or I guess Samard – Who are some FB prospects this year? I said last year, that if we’re moving towards a more “throw-first” offense, we need a FB who can catch out of the backfield, instead of “Stone Hands” Hedgecock. What about lining Jacobs up as a FB on some plays, and having him and AB/Draft pick split out? Teams wouldn’t know what to do.
BTW, before anyone trips…I didn’t say convert Jacobs to FB. Just saying, a 2 back backfield, with them splitting out different ways.
I would love to see a 2 back set!
Wow, Rolle and KP at Safety could be lethal.
I would still like to see them take chancellor in the 4th round.
I like Atogwe but his health concerns me. Rolle and KP are both playmakers. If we can draft Chancellor and keep Rouse we would have 2 play-making safeties with 3 physical safeties. KP is can lay someone out and come up with INT’s.
Watch Rolle on his INT returns, he is very quick and does a great job of giving a lot of yards after the pick.
I agree with you.
Krow are you out there???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5V8gkrJBs8
So funny, also just posted this =)
Big Ben at it again. http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault/
How about Cromartie having 7 kids with 6 different women in 5 states.
And he is only 25 years old.
Now he is coming to NYC where women throw themselves at athletes.
This is going to be hilarious. Travis Henry’s record is in jeopardy…
Isn’t Santana moss up there with children to different mom ratio? Something like 9 kids with 7 women
Well Shawn Kemp was like the first athlete ever, because DNA testing took a big step forward furing the Rainman’s prime. I think he had 10 kids with 7 different women or something like that.
I know former Hornet and Knick Larry Johnson aka Grand Ma Ma was up there too.
Travis Henry recently beat Kemp and had 11 kids with ten women scattered between Tennessee (college) Buffalo and Denver. (plus I’m sure Miami, LA and Vegas)
But Cromartie is already at 7 and he is only 25 years old.
This is like LeBron coming out of high school…records do not stand a chance.
On a side note I think LeBron is at two.
But I think LeBron is a little more financially secure than Cromartie, and probably the entire Jets organization.
This is so funny all these constant Twitter updates during this stuff. Makes the work day entertaining.
I can’t wait for an update on Rolle’s next trip to the urinal.
Sources also say he scratched his left nut at precisely 3:22, which means he thinks the Giants are close to the magic number…
I’m hearing conflicting reports that it was actually his RIGHT nut that was itchy. But it can’t be confirmed.
Uh oh…that means he wants more guaranteed money…
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault/
Big Ben accused of Sexual assault. Not first time…
Here we go boys =)
Anyone who does not want Rolle or thinks he is not a premiere play making safety, please do yourself a favor and watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5V8gkrJBs8
Thanks that rocked!
Everyone should watch this. Good video.
So, as this seems to be close to a done deal, let’s start looking forward: where do we go from here?
Round 1: Price/McClain/Weatherspoon/Kindle
Round 2: OLB or OL (a guard or a RT)
Round 3-5: BPA
Round 6-7: Kicker/FB
Rd. 1. – Middle Linebacker (McClain if possible)
Rd. 2 – Safety (Chad Jones)
Rd. 3 – Offensive Lineman
Rd. 4 – Defensive Tackle
Rd. 5 – Cornerback
Rd. 6 – Offensive Lineman
Rd. 7 – Running Back
This is just as of today. A lot will change by the time the draft gets here. I expect we will sign Rolle and probably one or two other free agents minimum by draft day.
@&^(@%@&% BENTON!!! lol
what happened?
Seems like Benton and Kyle are in a scoop-off.
He keeps posting stuff before me
And his rhymes too…
Big Ben at it again…
ha…. haha….
:)
Turkish – That highlight reel was absurd. Rolle absolutely OWNED Cincy! But yeah, I really hope the deal’s done by the time I come back from lunch! Anyone got any guesses as to what number Rolle is going to wear?
THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcLR0-gdHS8&feature=related
PLUS THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-1kr1Yqjdw&feature=related
= DEADLY
arigsbee, I’m no expert on college fullbacks. The one I saw who was pretty impressive was that Jackson kid from Virginia, but I think he got in trouble for something more serious than the kind of stuff that Ahmad Bradshaw pulled.
You’ll have to wait for Samard or Krow for a better answer.
Where is Jim Finn when you need him? I actually like Madison Hedgecock and think he does a great job. He is a true fullback. There are some interesting fullbacks available in free agency this year too.
Scout.com reports that the Giants, Redskins, and Cowboys are showing interest in restricted free agent FS Antoine Bethea.
The Colts gave Bethea a first-round tender, making the cost prohibitive for Washington in particular if it planned to sign him to an offer sheet. The sides could potentially work out a deal for less than the round-one compensation level, but Indianapolis certainly won’t give up Bethea on the cheap.
http://profootball.scout.com/2/951373.html
Dan is making it clear who is the better writer here.. Jk Kyle lol, you’re doing a great job too.
The Dolphins are reportedly “discussing” the idea of signing free agent FS Ryan Clark.
He should be a much more affordable option than Antrel Rolle, and is a far superior tackler. Clark also drawn interest from the Bears and his “old” team, the Steelers. The Redskins and Giants have been rumored as suitors.
Per The Miami Herald
Why did we get rid of him again?
Oh yeah, he don’t like anyone with the name “Ryan.”
See: Ryan Grant
I think it’s safe to say that journalists will hear the Giants are interested in every safety in the league until they have Rolle’s signature on a contract. Even if he and Rosenhaus think Reese is bluffing, they probably can’t afford to call the bluff.
Yeah, I figured as much. Just thought I’d throw it out there.
Makes you wonder: would bringing in more than one veteran safety be a bad idea? It would spell the end of the CC Brown era and, if it preceded a fairly decent draft pick at the same position, could push out Johnson, Rouse or Rashad as well. Talk about the changing of the guard!
Maybe they offered him 5 years at 37.5 million. They are negotiating the finer points and up front money.
I cant wait for this to be a done deal.. Rolle is a playmaker and i cant wait to watch him play.. definitly brings the secondary to a whole new level
it’s certainly an improvement. We still need to draft another safety, even after we sign Rolle though.
i dont know if we need to draft another safety idk if id spend a high pick on one anyway.. johnson is a good third safety and id b fine wit rouse backing up as well
If we sign Rolle and Phillips is fully healthy, then that makes sense. But Phillips isn’t a sure thing yet and getting a guy like Chad Jones in the 2nd round is a value/need pick IMO and makes us even deadlier at the safety position.
The starting safeties will be Rolle and Phillips.
Michael Johnson is the third. He is a good player and an excellent third safety.
The Giants will probably carry 4, so one the players from last year practice squad will probably get the call up.
The coaching staff seems to thinkSha’reef Rashad has potential.
Then there is still Rouse and C.C. (who has to be gone)
Guys like Clark and Beathea will be looking (and getting) starting jobs. So no, they’re not coming here.
assuming we sign Rolle of course.
I’m gonna be on the road for the rest of the evening, driving down to see some family. Is anybody trustworthy enough for me to give them my cell so that they can text me if/when anything breaks?
Kyle
I promise to contact you only when reese comes to his senses and tells Rolle to go back to Arizona
LOLOL thanks
kujo you can trust me… you got my email
I know I’ll get hung out to dry on this…but would anyone entertain the idea of Delhomme as a back-up if we can’t land someone like Sorgi, if Carr leaves?
Hes prob gonna want to try and start somewhere and will prob want a higher paycheck.. but if he can come in at backup qb money i dont see why not
I hope not. I don’t want Delhomme and I don’t want to see Carr go either. It looks like the 49ers are very interested in Carr though. What other FA QB’s are out there worth looking at?
I predict Kurt Warner will come out of retirement and QB for the Rams by seasons end. He will be bringing them back to the playoffs and retiring as a Ram. OK Maybe not but it was a good idea.
why not..We reseurected Carrs Career, why not Jake ’s
Because Jake is at the end of his career. How about getting Chris Simms if possible, to add some nostalgia. It looks like Carr will be a 49er though.
Kujo msg me ur # on fb and Ill get at you
Big Ben just raped another girl…Sad.
Yeah… what an absolute a-hole. Even if it’s not true, how stupid can he be?
FYI Denver will get Seattles 14th pick not their 6th for Marshall…
Reports said it was the other way around…ESPN I believe?
ProFootballtalk says that it can be negotiated among both teams, infact it has to be if theres two pick, other wise deals off.
Julius Peppers signed a 6 year deal with the Bears the sporting news has reported.
http://digg.com/d31KkWp
nfp says pats are frontrunners on boldin.
Any guess on when we find out Rolle’s status???
I hear LaVar Arrington is at Giants Stadium taking a physical.
Hahaha.
I wonder how many people are gonna have any idea what I am talking about.
Count me among them…
This is exactly what it reminds me of. This would have to go on for a few days though to top that!
Maybe JJ Arrington…..
Or Lavar Burton.
Same thing happened with Plax.
We signed him, we didn’t sign him, he is taking a physical, its a done deal, we didn’t sign him, he may go back to Pitt, we signed him.
Yeah pushing the refresh button for so many days that I broke my keyboard….LOL
Good times though. Put G101 on the map.
g101 has surpasses gmail as my most visited website after today
This just in… the Giants are negotiating terms with Ronnie Lott and Jake Scott. Both deals are close to 95% done.
I bet Ronnie Lott could still knock someone out.
I remember that whole arrington thing.. i was a mere reader of the site back then didnt start posting yet … he was a disaster i remember being so excited about him.. haha hopefully rolle doesnt have the same results
Reports are saying that Andy Reid is having to block a trade using Donovan McNabb. That is crazy, is it going to be the Vick era in Philly?
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/nfl/eagles/030510_Latest_Donovan_McNabb_Trade_Rumors
heres the link.
I have been following the story here in Philly. It sounds to me like Reid does not have a whole lot of confidence in Kevin Kolb. Sounds like a crap storm is brewing internally.
What about Mike Vick?
The feeling around here is that Vick will be traded, but the Eagles want a 2nd round pick for him. There is NO way Vick ends up being the Eagles QB in 2010. Reid’s offense is way to complicated for him to run.
I would keep Kolb and trade both McNabb and Vick.
Do the Giants look into getting Vick if Carr goes to the 49ers? Philly would never do it and Reese wouldn’t give up a 2nd round pick. I agree that Kolb will be a good NFL QB but I still would not get rid of McNabb. Where does he go? St Louis or Arizona? Cleveland?
Why would you want that Dog Killing awfulllllll QB? Because he’s fast??? Put Hixon at QB then…
idk i think Reid may be happy with what he saw from Kolb last season… he seemed to move the ball pretty well.
Ef the Eagles
The Chicago Bears are going to hold a press conference at 6PM. Maybe the Giants are waiting until that time to announce the Rolle signing. No one here thinks he will fail a physical I’m sure.
Hilarious quip from Rotoworld:
“Free agent FS Antrel Rolle is reportedly taking a physical with the Giants as of Friday afternoon.
A physical usually means a deal is all but locked up, though beat writer Ralph Vacchiano cautions that the same source says the Dolphins and Cardinals aren’t out of the race if they increase their offer. You think Rolle’s agent is the source?”
Hahahaha, “you think Rolle’s agent is the source?”….freaking classic….
Im just afraid someone going to come in at the last minute and give rolle more than the giants r offering him.. whatever tht may be
Giants talking to Sharper as a backup to Rolle.
The Eagles just cut their best LB, Will Witherspoon. WOW?!?
Check the “5:05 UPDATE” toward the middle of the above update, everyone. Important tidbits.
Ed Valentine posted this story…the Giants are looking at more then one safety.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/ny_giants_talking_to_antrel_ro.html
maybe a little buyer’s remorse
See my 5:05 update. ;-)
Jerry Reese was not kidding about getting aggressive this free agency period. I love the thought of getting two veterans back there and ready to lead. Besides talking to Rolle, the Giants have also been checking out Darren Sharper, Antoine Bethea and Oshiomogho Atogwe.
Mike Garafolo reported it.
The Giants have been in talks with free agent Darren Sharper, and restricted free agent O.J. Atogwe, as fall-back options if they miss out on free agent free safety Antrel Rolle.
The Giants are certainly still in the thick of it for Rolle, and have only kept tabs on the other players as contingency plans. Rolle took a physical in New York on Friday. The Dolphins may no longer be in the hunt for him.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/ny_giants_talking_to_antrel_ro.html
I think they are talking to these guys to be safe if the rolle deal gets done i dont think they will sign two free agent safeties
Here’s what I don’t understand: The Cards cut Rolle because they didn’t want to pay him a 4 MM roster bonus, yet we are talking to him about an 8MM annual deal. Also, the Cards are still trying to resign him.
What was the deal with his contract in Arizona that they had to cut him? Was he due 4 MM in bonus and 3+ MM in salary?
We will have a new safety by the end of the day. We couldn’t have gotten any luckier with this offseason selection. Our biggest problems are safety and lb and their are so many different ways we can upgrade
Anquan Boldin-WR- Cardinals Mar. 5 – 5:19 pm et
SI.com’s Peter King reports that the Ravens are “close” to finalizing a trade for Anquan Boldin.
Source: Peter King on Twitter
Related: Ravens
Krow! Having a goos sake day!!! A little too good.
Jeez, I’ve done that…
The woman accusing Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault told police the whole thing went down inside the women’s restroom of a Georgia nightclub.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0hLPCU8zX
KD did, in fact, assault me in the women’s restroom of a Georgia nightclub. It was one of the greatest nights of my life….
Ok so while Rolle’s agent is using Vacchiano to squeeze a few bucks out the Giants by implying that he still has the Dolphins and the Cards on the phone…
Someone in the Meadowlands is using Garafolo to let Rolle’s agent know that they, too, have backup plans if this situation falls through.
While this is a great exercise in interpreting the lies that come out of agents and GM’s mouths, it’s clear why Giants fans seem to like Garafolo’s work better than Vacchiano’s. I still wonder what Vacchiano’s agenda was by implying, multiple times, that Brandon Jacobs was a possible candidate to be cut because of his high salary.
And Vacchiano doesn’t hide these things either. He pile-drives his theories into the ground
It really is an incredible exercise in interpreting, as a fan, the info that comes through the media…
goos = good
I think they are gonna come out of this with Rolle, this is just some last minute posturing by both sides for max leverage
absolutely…
Will the Giants shock the football world by announcing they have sign former Arizona team mates Karlos Dansby and Antrel Rolle?
I hope not. I don’t want the giants to become the redskins. Rolle and perry diesel maybe all we need to be a top defense. Good thing still have the draft though.
No way….
No way?
We will be getting KP back. Ross gets a fresh start. Boley was banged up along with our whole dline. Sheridan was AWFUL. Terrible gameplans. On the otherhand, perry diesel had his players overachieving. We have one of the best scouting FO and they have the best draft position in a while. 2 in the top 50. We don’t need to spend anymore money in FA if we get Rolle.
On top of that, it seems like most talk of Rolle to other teams has died and now it s just The Giants. A few hours ago he was talking physical
Adam_Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Free-agent CB Dunta Robinson and Falcons agree to a six-year contract.
there we go
Antrel Rolle-DB- Cardinals Mar. 5 – 5:41 pm et
The South Florida Sun-Sentinel confirms that free agent FS Antrel Rolle is “in the process of finalizing a deal with the Giants.”
The Giants look to be in the process of making Rolle one of the NFL’s top paid safeties with a contract that may approach $8 million a year over five to six seasons. The Dolphins apparently never got serious about signing him.
Source: South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Related: Dolphins
Beat me to it. Figures, the one time I’m on the phone. Haha
Guys, that’s nothing definitive or new. That’s Vachiano and MG tweets finally reaching Florida, where they were busy thinking about Dansby
This is one of the reasons I was trying to calm norm down about this whole process. What Jerry Reese heard that Rolle wants 8 per year and he just says yeah sure, hell we can do at least 8.
No.
Hes gonna be shrewed with this. This deal will be laden with performance escalators to make sure Rolle knows what must be done and that the team will understand that The Giants just don’t dole out cash. If you play well… for the new york giants… You will get paid by The New York Giants.
Thats how he does business. And Im willing to be patient with this knowing that Reese likes to be thorough in this process
Interesting that Miami and NYG were both rumored destinations for both Rolle and Dansby. Perhaps the Giants leaked interest in Dansby to disguise interest in Rolle and coerce Miami into prioritizing Dansby over Rolle…
hahaha great plan
The South Florida Sun-Sentinel confirms that free agent FS Antrel Rolle is “in the process of finalizing a deal with the Giants.”
The Giants look to be in the process of making Rolle one of the NFL’s top paid safeties with a contract that may approach $8 million a year over five to six seasons. The Dolphins apparently never got serious about signing him.
All, ladies and gents…this is a chance of lifetime for ya’ll. I won’t be around AT ALL tomorrow (poor timing, I know) so I am gonna need some help.
So I am gonna need some real-time text updates? Who is willing to do it?
Yeah, that’s right…I am giving out my cell phone #. Hit me up on Facebook for the #. http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/profile.php?id=542099279
I’d really appreciate it!
man id love to but im not gonna be around. dan i have you as my only friend on FB. i jus dnt use it at all.lol
i love it love it love it….i really hope this gets done in a soon. role automatically makes our 2ndary great. KP and role both ball hawks, kp the hitter thomas ross web….thats a very nice 2ndary!
you know its funny that with all of the Safety talks that the Giants are “in”….we havent heard one peep out of buffalo and G Wilson. Did they sign him to some crazy tender? Just wondering…
2nd round tender
thanks
so the birds released witherspoon?
i really love this site
Not trying to be a downer but is Rolle even that good? My last recollections of the Cardinals D-Backs were them getting torched by both GB and NO in the playoffs.
Nosh– He’s good. Solidly above average, but not at all elite. At the age of 28, he’s still in prime physical condition (no signs of losing a step) and has been around long enough to prove that however good he is, he actually is that good. Wow that was an awful way of saying he’s not a one year wonder….
Apparently Patrick Willis isn’t a fan of bringing David Carr in….
http://twitter.com/PatrickWillis52/status/10036995650
Wow, did you guys see this tweet from Patrick Willis about Carr visiting 49ers?
“for real for what. we have 3 qb’s that are better then him. That’s a waste of his time”
Brutal.
damn i just posted tht u beat me haha
Rolle sucks…can we trade Moss to StL for Butler?
oh wait…you think we can get butler back!!!! lmao
No but we can probably trade a pick for Atogwe…
read this:
@PatrickWillis52 did u hear that david carr is visiting the niners today??
Reply : @RT831 for real for what. we have 3 qb’s that are better then him. That’s a waste of his time
Rest stop in Palm Bay. Checkin on stuff as I’m on the loo.
So, we’re “finalizing a deal?” Sounds like what we knew 3 hours ago. God I hope this doesn’t fall through. Some serious blue balls, that would be.
Kujonicus, as I said, that “finalizing a deal” thing from the Florida Sun-Sentinal was merely the stuff already reported in NY finding its way down there. They musta been busy with Dansby…
Pat Willis is a great linebacker. But he isn’t much in regard to evaluating quarterbacks. If he thinks they have three better than Carr he’s dreaming. He ought to stick to defense.
Vacchiano is a first-class douche. Can’t stand the guy and think his journalism leaves plenty to be desired. I will always remember his baiting Osi last year about his unhappiness with being in a deep rotation. Osi was being politically correct and saying all the right things but Ralph kept at him until Osi finally walked away.
Dan, sorry, cannot be me. I am going to the Horton Foote production of Orphans’ Home Cycle and am at the theater from 10AM through 11PM (with a few breaks but I won’t be on the web) seeing three shows. A real marathon. No Giants for me tomorrow.
ff55– Beat me to it on Willis. Great linebacker, piss poor QB evaluator. Regardless that it’s not even his place to open his mouth…if you’d rather have Alex smith than David Carr you’re an idiot.
Agreed that Vacchiano’s various agendas often stand between honest reporting and his readers. However, while his journalism may leave something to be desired by fans, I think his editors/bosses should LOVE his work, for a variety of reasons.
fans=readers
South Florida Sun-Sentinel confirms that free agent FS Antrel Rolle is “in the process of finalizing a deal with the Giants”
Yeah we got that one, but as I said before, that’s nothing we haven’t known around here since 3 oclock. The Sun-Sentinel is simply rewording reports from Vacchiano. The next development is one of three things: deal is done, deal hit a particular snag, deal fell apart.
Until then….
I just don’t understand the Eagles and their quarterback situation. I hate them. I cannot stand McNabb (as a player…he’s a pretty good guy in the rest of his life), but what the heck is management doing trying to get rid of him? I understand he has never proven he can win a big game when the burden falls on him, but neither has Kolb.
Frankly, I’d love it if they go into 2010 with Kolb under center. I think things would be easier for us. We can say all we want about being outcoached by them (certainly true over the past two seasons) but we also need to admit that McNabb has had some great games against us too. I thought Eli’s game last season in the Meadowlands against the Eagles was close to perfect (absent the fumble), but in the end McNabb made the throws he had to make to beat us. I’d love to see him in another uniform.
And no, the Giants aren’t going to look at Vick. Anyone who does for a second round pick is an idiot.
Anquan Boldin-WR- Ravens Mar. 5 – 6:16 pm et
Ravens acquired WR Anquan Boldin and a 2010 fifth-round pick from the Cardinals in exchange for third- and fourth-round picks in this year’s draft.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Related: Cardinals
Too bad we couldn’t have gotten that deal for him last year
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10046837595
Boldin to the Ravens.
The Colts have just cut Jim Sorgi. I’d take a look at him as backup QB is Carr leaves. I know he had a shoulder last year, but if he’s healthy he’s certainly a better option than freaking Mark Brunell….
I bet there are a few Ravens QBs from the past 10 years that wish they’d have brought them a receiver or two like this. Getting Mason for McNair doesn’t quite cut it.
Cards could have gotten more for Bolden last year. I guess that’s a moot point since they made another run at the SB though…now it’s easier to let him go since they probably are thinking they need another couple years before they’re ready to make another run.
That being said, I think the Cardinals are still the same old Cardinals. I will admit they’ve had a couple impressive playoff games the past two seasons, but the reality is that if they were still in the NFC East (or most other divisions for that matter) they wouldn’t even have been .500 either of those years. No consistency. As soon as somebody in that division climbs back into the ranks of normalcy, the Cards will be perennial bottom feeders again.
Dare I say Rolle has signed? I guess it could be whispers in the wind.
If the Rolle deal is finalized I believe the Giants should sign Morrison from the Raiders. Then resign Barry Cofield. When the draft rolls around you can draft the best available linebacker and or defensive tackle in the first two rounds without feeling like they have to be a savior. I would be very happy with a Giants defense:
DE: Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Tollefson
DT: Cofield, Canty, Alford, Rookie (maybe Price)
OLB: Boley, Sintim, Keul, Wilkinson, Rookie
MLB: Morrison, Goff, Blackburn, Rookie
CB: Webster, Thomas, Ross, Johnson, Anyone besides Dockery
S: Phillips, Rolle, Johnson, Rouse
colts released raheem brock
Dan– Source?
Simon – I am the source. :)
Holla
I would bring in Jamal Williams for 2 years.
Raheem Brock would make the perfectly replacement for Osi Umenyiora if he Osi were to get shipped out of town….
Don’t be afraid to work on the offensive line
I hope the Eagles trade McNabb.
Brian Westbrook has officially been realeased
JP– What do you mean by “Don’t be afraid to work on the offensive line?”
Add some depth
I don’t think the offensive line needs veteran depth. I’d like to see them get a young offensive lineman in the first round who can push McKenzie or Seubert into a depth role…
OK; now that I’ve dealt with the pesky business of earning a living I can fully turn my attention back to this sideshow.
Having just scanned through the comments made in my absence, a few thoughts:
1) Thanks to Jim Stoll for continuing to fight the good fight while I was away. Although Jim’s assessment of Rolle as an “average” safety is much harsher than my own of “above average, nothing great,” our underlying premise is the same. This is not a guy who deserves to be the highest paid safety in the NFL – or anywhere within sniffing distance thereof. Overpaying for him DOES smell like desperation on the part of the Giant front office.
2) Have people really been writing that Rolle “is just the kind of safety that Fewell needs”? Well, I’m confused. Haven’t I been hearing over the past couple of months about what an alchemist Fewell is when it comes to coaching up secondaries? Sounds to me like a guy who should be able to make gold out of KP at 75%; a draft pick; and the rest of the base matter we have at the position. Particularly if we shore up out pass rush and linebacking play. Sure doesn’t sound like a coach whose success would be dependent on the FO going out of its way to give elite money to a decidedly non-elite talent at safety.
3) Finally, Kyle seems to have taken great exception to the idea that Jerruh had a better offseason than Reese in ‘09. So I’ll keep this real simple: The Giants went out and spent $83 MM on free agents, brought in a boatload of draft picks and watched their record fall from 12-4 to 8-8. The Cowboys brought in bargain free agents and basically sat out the draft and somehow improved their record from 9-7 to 11-5. Yeah, yeah – we had injuries, lousy coaching, whatever. But to paraphrase Parcells, it was what your record says it was. And the record says that Jerruh had a better offseason because, well, he conducted business the way Reese used to while Reese was busy taking a page out of the old Jerruh/Snyder playbook. Res ipsa loquitor, dude.
Just to set the record straight – I don’t hate Rolle, the player. I just hate him at the price. Yes, he’s an upgrade but the idea that he’s going to come in and be a difference maker (which is what his salary demands suggest he will be) is laughable. Someone made the excellent point that his mates in the secondary and at linebacker were far superior in Arizona to what the Giants had last year. And yet, that defense still managed to get torched by Green Bay and New Orleans in the playoffs. A real difference maker, indeed.
Oh well, I realize I’m just blowing off steam about what now sadly looks to be a fait accompli. But the good news is that I ain’t going anywhere (unless the Giants cut my new BFF, Herb, in which case another exile may well be forthcoming) Meaning I’ll be around for you all to make great sport at my expense when Rolle goes on to have the Pro Bowl season that is apparently inevitable. But if he turns out to be little more than another grossly overpaid mediocrity, just remember – you heard it here first.
any quality OL guys out there on the market?
Seriously…no one gonna update me tomorrow? I thought people would jump at the chance to get my cell #. Guess my ego is a bitch much.
I am relying on you, Krow! I know you already have it, so keep me updated.
i like boldin to the ravens.
Who should we take the the Saints 32nd pick overall?
Dan-what’s your number? I will keep you up in the mix.
Can you hit me up on Facebook if you have an account? Or email me. xxvdsxx@gmail.com.
And please tell me you’re joking about the Saints pick. LoL
NJ_Giants Word is Rolle was planning to let #Cardinals match any final offers. Not sure Az capable of going $-for-$ w #NYG.
NJ_Giants
Word is Rolle was planning to let #Cardinals match any final offers. Not sure Az capable of going $-for-$ w #NYG.
Per Mike G’s Twitter.
Yes, was kidding about Aints pick.
If the Giants sign Rolle it opens up the possibility that they go for a DE with their first couple of picks. There are some great athletes at that spot and a rookie could push Tollefson off the roster and be ready to move up if Kiwi or Osi leaves.
Of course Canty can play some at DE, but we should try to have a great 4-deep depth chart and Tollefson just isn’t that good. Great Special teams guy, but not much in the base defense. Sintim might be moved eventually, but I suspect he’ll prove pretty good at SAM and tie that position down for a long time.
To be clear, I am NOT suggesting they draft a DE early, just saying the possibility is there and it could make sense. Actually, with a signing of Rolle the draft opens up in a big way. They could go O-line, running back, DE, DT, linebacker, CB, S…almost anything based on who is on the board.
As to Morrison, has anyone actually seen a lot of this guy? I’ve never seen him play (except one raiders’ game during which I wasn’t paying attention to him). Is he really a good option for Reese or just a name de jour? I’d like reactions from people who have seen him, not those of us working from websites and third-hand opinions.
Brandon, you’re a step ahead of me there playa!
hahah yep
Still no deal? WTH?
FF55 – you’re right about the possibility of grabbing a DE. However, as far as I’m concerned, I’d rather seem them build the OL trenches. At 15, there’s going to be some GOOD guys available on OL, be it a LT/RT or a OG. Wouldn’t be opposed to a 2nd-mid round DE though; Tollefson sucks ass!
*rather see them
norm, I just don’t understand you and Jim. You’re more concerned about the Mara and Tisch money than they are. The ONLY money concern should be whether a too-high salary will screw up the Giants’ salary structure and create problems with the team chemistry. Otherwise, the money issue should be irrelevant.
Rolle is an upgrade, a big one. He wouldn’t have to become a Pro Bowler to be that. Arguing otherwise is just arguing for argument’s sake.
So will a $7MM plus (with some incentives and probably about $20MM guaranteed) annual paycheck disrupt team chemistry? That is the ONLY legitimate issue here. Stop mixing it with irrelevant arguments. And if it will disrupt team chemistry, with whom exactly? Osi? He’s already pissed off about money and will have to be dealt with regardless of what Rolle makes. Webster? He didn’t have a good enough 2009 to make a stink. Ross? Hah. Phillips? he’s on his rookie contract and knows that he will get his money when the time comes. Thomas? Same thing. Tuck? Already has a very good contract and didn’t produce in 2009. Any linebacker? What a laugh. Offensive linemen? They all know that what any defender makes is irrelevant to them. Wide receivers? Steve Smith is the only issue and he’s probably going to want big bucks anyway if he has another season like he just did. The others are too young to care now. Eli? Obviously not. Running backs? Jacobs was taken care of and Bradshaw is on his rookie deal. The others will just be happy to make the team. Boss? Kid is happy to be in the NFL and thriving.
So where is the big problem? There isn’t one. YOU, and Jim, are the only people who have a problem with the salary. Of course Rolle isn’t worth anything close to $8MM per annum. I don’t think he’s worth the $6MM the Cards offered. But it isn’t my money (well, at what I’m paying for tickets maybe it is my money, but I’m paying it whether we have a safety or not and all things being equal I DEMAND a safety), nor yours. You’re getting exercised over a phantom problem. You ought to relax a bit and enjoy the ride. The team is better with Rolle than without him. That’s all that really matters.
Can we get a pool going as to what number Rolle will wear?
32 or 26 ( if rouse is released ; he wore 6 in college so 26?)
My guess was going to be 26, but I forgot about Rouse. I think if he gets the money he was asking for, and that’s the number he wanted…he could probably buy it off of Rouse.
giantswfan Just as an FYI – No headline news: Very close source says Giants, Rolle still in holding pattern as of few minutes ago. #nyg
hopefully its “very close”
Wilfork has signed a long term deal with the Pats
http://twitter.com/MrMichael_Smith/status/10049170447
you know, I will have to trust Reese and Co on this Rolle signing but, I am not too thrilled with having Rolle here for 8 mil a year, but you know what if you can put him and a healthy KP back there then it has loads of potential but again it wont matter if our DLINE wont perform.
some guys are complaining about the 8 mill, we dont even know the parameters yet
I am not really complaining about the 8 mil per say, as FF55 said earlier, it isnt my money I could care less, and the only way I would care is if this deal causes in house problems withe players and limits Gaints improving in other areas because of economics….other then that yes sure it does make the secondary much better only if KP comes back full force…..and also again the DLINE has to perform to their capabilities, not under achieve again this year…. I do not care about injuries…
Packers re-signed OT Chad Clifton. 3 years, $20 million, 7.5 million guaranteed.
from schefter
no T for redskins!! woot
are we forgetting what Fewell did for a rookie safety in Byrd?? 9 INTS!! I dont think i’ve ever witnessed a giants safety with that many picks, ever! If this D-Line play the way it suppose to, we are going to have a rocking defense.
If I recall correctly, Byrd was a CB in college, no?
yep
so was Rolle my friends!
Any word on Dansby?
headed to miami per adam schefter
done deal?
yea “all signs point to him being a dolphin”
He did sign. Being reported by various outlets now. 5-years.
$43 million, $22 gauranteed.
Thanks Guys. Who are 2nd and 3rd on the available LB list now?
Will our cbs fit Fewell’s system? Webster only excelled in Spags system…and there’s been in a decline under Sheridan….
hes a good man cover guy, hopefully they’ll use him in a spot where he can excel.
Look, 8 mil (I’m assuming the final contract is in that range) is a lot of money for an above average safety. However, can we please stop bringing up the fact AZ was torched in the playoffs? This site has too many smart people posting on it for such an irrelevant and completely pointless argument to keep popping up. It’s not like Rolle was getting burned for every TD. Nobody here even knows if he even was the cause of ONE TD.
Losing is a team effort. How many points did the 9ers drop on us in that dreaded playoff game? I guess that Strahan character wasn’t much of a playmaker. How many times did we give up 23+ points this year on D? Probably should just cut and trade Webster and Thomas. Obviously they’re not good players, I mean, they were on a team that gave up a lot of points!!! How good can they be, right!?!?!
Silly argument.
Good point. Great point. And again, avg per year is useless without the context of bonuses, escalators and most importantly….guaranteed money…
Is this the moment where the agent finds out if Arizona matches the Giants offer?
I tell you, if I wrote this whole piece about Rolle’s impact on the Giants, and then the deal falls through I’m going to be furious…
Come on all ready wats taking so long we need to sighn this guy now we have 2 good safetys both with potential to be better than they were especialy philips. We need to get this done and find out who’s next because we have a real tough schedule and all the teams we should beat just got tougher in the bears and ravens
You guys all need to remember that even if Rolle is given a contract of $8 million annually, it does not MEAN he will be paid $8 million annually. We’ll have no way of knowing how much of that is guaranteed until the specific details are given.
Think of Eli’s contract. HUGE deal, but odds are he won’t earn all of that money. And if he does, it means he’s playing out of his mind and deserves every penny of it.
I don’t see why you guys care that we are giving Rolle $8 mil. It’s going to be uncapped next year. The owners are going to be making millions and millions off the PSLs I think it’s about time they invest it on the team. They last year they spent a bunch, but they left a huge void at S and it was the turning point of our season going sour. They have the money so spend it. I am sure that this deal with Rolle will probably incentive laden and front loaded this year in case next year there is a cap. Relax guys we needed to get this defense back to being dominant. Rolle and Phillips is the first step.
This Rolle signing allows us to focus on MLB, DT, OT, and RB in the early rounds. Two other things I hope Reese gets us are a kicker that can kickoff deep and a return specialist.
With all due respect, ff55, I wish the issue was as simple as you suggest.
From a team chemistry standpoint, I just don’t think you can look at Rolle’s salary on its face, do a quick run-through of the other players on the team, and blithely dismiss the possibility of it causing serous dissension down the road. By giving him such a salary, Reese is essentially betting that Rolle will come in and perform at a high level. Not necessarily an $8 MM a year level per se, but certainly at a level on a par with some of the better safeties in the league.
But what happens if Rolle comes in and stinks up the joint? Sure, that’s a possibility with any free agent but at least with other highly paid busts, you can usually point to a prior record of excellence which was the impetus for their high price in the first place. Not so with Rolle. Nothing he has done so far in his career suggests that he is an elite talent. But Reese is betting “on the come” that he is. As I said, if it works out, great. If not, you’re potentially looking have a whole locker room full of players who are saying “That bum’s getting $8 MM a year? Man, I can hardly wait for it’s time for me to negotiate my next deal; I’m worth at least TWICE that.” Yes, it’s a hypothetical but Reese has opened the door to that possibility.
Another point – which may or not be germane until we see the actual terms of the deal – is how this may hamstring the Giants if and when the cap is reinstated. If they manage to stuff most of the guaranteed money into the upcoming uncapped year, they may be able to sidestep any serious future cap issues. However if they’re on the hook for another $10-15 MM guaranteed over the next 2-3 years, that could have some negative ramifications. Again, this is pure speculation. The actual real world consequences are largely dependent on how the deal is structured and what the next CBA looks like.
Hey, like it or not (and I still don’t) I’m resigned to this happening. So I hope it works out as swimmingly as you and others on here suggest that it may. I’m a Giants fan, after all, and always hope for the best for my team. I suppose I’ll eventually come to “enjoy the ride,” as you say. But I gotta say, I miss the old patient, calculating Reese. I much prefer that erstwhile persona to that of his new one, “the freewheeling riverboat gambler.”
Adam_Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Miami reached agreement with linebacker Karlos Dansby on a 5-year, $43 million deal, including $22 million guaranteed.
I’m starting to think Reese lucked into that Super Bowl offseason. I am thinking the only reason he didn’t spend any money that first year is he assumed it would allow the Giants to bow out early and he could get rid of Coughlin and bring in his guy for the job. But the Super Bowl win made him think Coughlin could be his man and decided to try and stock the pool for him. I could be way off, but I think it’s a good theory.
Whoops…guess I was a little late on the Dansby news. Wonder when our confirmation is gonna hit the wire??!?!?!
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